Mini 478- Simenon's Too Much Scum: Game Over

[VitaminR]

Vitamin, isn't that exactly what you're doing?

Well, I don't think so.

But now we have ample time for discussion. Vitamin, why did you at first think I was SK, then switch to Rishi, then back to me now? I'd like to understand your thought process.

I have to admit I thought JDodge was town and I mostly left him out of consideration. I thought the scum roles were divided between you two. On my first read, I thought you were the SK, because you went along with the acfan vote rather easily. It suggested to me that you were scum, but not connected to acfan. Rishi, on the other hand, took a very long time to put on the hammer and seemed to almost be avoiding the issue.

Then I started to grow a bit uncomfortable with how Rishi seemed to go back and forth between us. I realised that the only player who would benefit from any old lynch would be the SK (also, the nightkills were all players who went after Rishi).

Towards the deadline, I went back and forth between these two feelings and then decided that, even though the nightkills fit Rishi as SK best, I wouldn't have expected him to be so bold as to use the Guardian-NK argument to attack you in that case. I wouldn't have expected him to want to draw attention to the nightkills.

That's why I ended up voting you and why, coupled with what I've noted earlier, I think you're most likely to be the SK.

[SirWario]

I voted acfan because he gave no substantial evidence for any of suspicions. All his posts semmed like he was grasping for anything.

I don't see whats so bold about bringing up Guardian. Rishi wasn't postive the first time he mentioned it, now thats the only thing he's using against me. It's all assuming that I viewed Guardian as a good player, but it still boils down to WIFOM.

[Rishi]

I thought there was something else I had against you, SirWario. I really need to do a re-read. That might happen tonight or possibly tomorrow.

[Simenon]

Vote Count

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Deadline: six days

[Rishi]

Well, I did a quick re-reading of the thread. The one thing that surprised me about the re-reading was that The Fonz was not as quiet as I thought he was. I think I was remembering how he acted right before he got replaced, which is probably why he asked to be replaced.

The Fonz did seem suspicious on the re-read. SirWario actually looked a little bit better than I originally thought. I will quote some of The Fonz's suspicious posts later. I think I found enough of a connection between The Fonz and Guardian to justify the kill on Night 1 too.

Unfortunately, VitaminR looks better than The Fonz. And it will be hard for him to respond to what The Fonz did.

But we used that argument before (JDodge looks less scummy than AlSleet) and it didn't work. It was also amusing on the re-read how dedicated JDodge was at distancing himself from acfan, probably the reason we didn't suspect him as scum.

[SirWario]

I also did a re-read. I really didn't find anything new.

[VitaminR]

I have to find some time to do a re-read, but it's coming.

[Rishi]

I agree with Rishi about the posting during twilight. I really don't like how Alsleet and acfan both tried to act like it was a bad move to lynch xerebz just in case he turned up townie. It is interesting because both of them never really took a firm stance on anyone on day 1.

Also, I don't like how Rishi hammered xerebz so quickly. I don't believe his replacement could have justified xerebz's actions, but I still think you made a hasty decision.

FOS:Alsleet, acfan, and Rishi

I will wait to hear their defense before voting anyone.

This is the post that most people have been using as the main case against SirWario. I don't like this post either, but you have to admit that, in his FoS, he hit two scum! If this the worst we can get from SirWario, it's not so bad.

I honestly think the reason I was suspecting SirWario for so long was that everyone else was suspecting him. As SirWario pointed out, I think I am too easily influenced. After reading the post-by-post analysis, I am not 100% sure that SirWario is clear, but he looks a lot less scummy.

[Rishi]

So, I would recommend that people do a post-by-post analysis on The Fonz. I don't really have anything to quote here, but you will notice that The Fonz had a habit of following people. He didn't really start accusations, but he kind of sat back and stirred the pot. It's really obvious if you look at it.

If you look at VitaminR's behavior, he's kind of doing the same thing. I don't like how he's agreeing with me, even though my arguments have not really been all that strong. He has just posted that SirWario seems scummy, but hasn't given solid reasons for it.

The fact is that The Fonz and VitaminR has definitely showed signs of following other players. The scummiest thing about SirWario is based on a hunch.

I am going to place a vote tonight. The deadline is Sunday, if you guys have forgotten, and I'll be out of town this weekend. I want to hear what both of you have to say before I do this though.

[SirWario]

Ok, just did the post-by-post analysis on the Fonz. I was pretty suprised to find that the Fonz never really offered much. Alot of his posts consisted of something along the lines of "I really hate this argument", "agressiveness is not like the argument too townie." This facade made Fonz appear like he was contributing when he never really added anything substantial to the scum hunting. Seems like he was trying to lay low. Later, he was lurking(I'll give him that he was replaced)during the acfan lynch.

Now, Vitamin steps in as replacement. In his first real post, he states that the 2 scum are Rishi and myself. Rishi asks which one he think is SK and which is scum. Vitamin responds by saying that he made it clear he thought I was SK and why, when really he never specified which he thought was which. He really hasn't brought up why he thinks that I am SK. He used Rishi's argument about the Guardian kill, but thats all I saw. He's just been riding other people's arguments to the easiest lynch.

I felt Rishi was the strongest SK candidate due to the nightkill connections to himself. But after this recent re-read, I fell pretty strongly about Vitamin as well. I'm really not sure at the moment. One thing Rishi has is that he's the only one augmenting this discussion at the moment. He seems sincerely likes he's trying to find the SK.

[Rishi]

Well, as promised, since the deadline is Sunday, here's my vote. At least if we lynch someone, the town has a chance of winning. If we don't lynch anyone, the SK auto-wins.

Vote: VitaminR

[SirWario]

I feel like Rishi's the only one really trying to move the discussion along. He seems genuine to me.

Vote:VitaminR

Thats the hammer and the game. Hopefully you're our murderer.

[Rishi]

I feel good about this. I really am town.

[Guardian]

I think you killed Guardian because you thought he was a good player. Anyone who has played with Guardian before knows this isn't true. So killing Guardian is a newbie mistake. You're the most newbish here. (Sorry, Guardian, if you're reading this...)

I feel good about this. I really am town.

If you are town, you are so, so wrong, and I pretty much hate you. In like 2/3 of my finished games, at least one person complimented me on my play.

If you're town, I am almost certain Wario is scum. Rishi, if you as town think that VitaminR is scum at this point... then wow, seriously, just wow.

Quick hammer = town? lol.


If you're scum, then I retract my hate, and well played .

[Simenon]

Vote Count

VitaminR (2)- Rishi, SirWario

VitaminR, townie, was lynched day four.

[Simenon]

Game Over. Serial Killer (SirWario) wins.

Day one- Xerebz, Serial killer cop, lynched.

Night one -Sir Wario kills Guardian, townie

Day two- ac1983fan, mafia, is lynched.

Night two- Sir Wario kills JordanA24, townie

Day three- No one is lynched

Night three- SirWario kills Jdodge, mafia

Day four- VitaminR, townie, is lynched. Rishi, townie is endgamed. Sirwario, serial killer, wins.

Comments: I have one for now. Why why why did you lynch xerebz without a claim?

I'd also like the thank cpe for modding half this game. It helped a lot, and I appreciate it.

[Rishi]

Crap. Well played SirWario. I was on to him earlier but then something went horribly wrong.

I didn't think we'd get a claim out of xerebz. It seemed that he already quit. I did not see how we would not lynch his successor. I don't know if the short deadlines really helped the town, though. It feels like there wasn't much to go on. Day 3, in particular, I think we would have lynched SirWario if it wasn't for the deadline.

However, I think this is a good setup, Simenon. You should submit it for the open queue.

[The Fonz]

Just a note- I never asked for replacement. I posted that I would be gone for a week in V/LA, and Simenon presumably surmised (probably correctly) that the game would die on its arse if I weren't replaced. I don't object to this, though a PM to that effect would have been nice.

Meh, good to know I was right on AlSleet and acfan.

[Simenon]

Yeah, you're probably right. Not much of an excuse, but around that time I was getting restless.

SW, I really didn't get some of your night kills, especially the jordan nk.

[The Fonz]

Really Sim? FWIW, I was absolutely convinced Jordan was town.

[Simenon]

I completely agree.

[JordanA24]

Nope, I was the first one to vote for xerebz.

[Guardian]

Yah, imo Sir Wario played well, all his kill choices made a lot of sense.

[Simenon]

fixed <.<

[SirWario]

I'm glad I won , but it does feel kind of cheap with the serial killer cop lynched day 1 and me surviving day 3 because of the dealine.