STEVEN UNIVERSE MAFIA - GAME OVER

[St Constantine the Hermit]

I mean, well played xtoxm (or mastin2 but not so sure anymore). I cannot really get on cerberus and drizzx right now, because they did listen to me and unvoted at least for awhile.

The association between Titus and Xtoxm was clear. It isn't something you can explain, but it is something veterans pick up on. Like how we can tell the difference between scum walls and town walls.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

Cerberus, if you are not unvoting, should I just self-hammer or do you want to dwell on xtoxm some more.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

Hold on, what did Mastin2 claim flavor

[Reasonably Rational]

So wait ... when you just know you just know, but you can't tell anymore? It's either clear connection and you could show it to us, or it's not. You're contradicting yourself.

If Xtoxm is scum, why is the game still going on?

Also ... why did you want us to be the ones to hammer you way back earlier in the game? Just kind of curious here at the turning of the days ... as one might say.


Love,
Drixx

[Reasonably Rational]

Hold on, what did Mastin2 claim flavor

Mastin claimed Connie, and we are currently allied to her. If she were a gem, we would have fused. It defeats the whole idea that Mastin is "Yellow Diamond". It was interesting that you specifically accused her of being that, by the way. We know for sure she isn't because we didn't fuse ... but Yellow Diamond is the leader of the Yellow Diamond Authority, who appear to be the scum team here ... but nobody besides you has ever referred to that specific character, and in the show it hasn't yet been revealed fully.

It's like I said earlier. We gave you rope and asked you to put the right person's head in it. You refused to show us the "obvious" link between Xtoxm and Titus or anything scummy at all about him. You refused to show us, from your own posts and actions, why you should be considered town.

And now you're hurling insults about how us new (to this site, and therefore inferior to people with earlier join dates apparently) people are just too stupid to realize that Xtoxm is scum. But wait, it

might

be Mastin. You're not sure anymore. If you're going to insult us, at least don't insult yourself at the same time... it sort of takes the bite out of it.

We knew long before this day started that there was no way to be 100% certain and due to an unfortunate misplay by a fellow townie, we don't have the luxury of a spare mislynch to get it right. That spare mislynch got wasted on someone we had logically put at 99.9% confirmed town (and lo and behold they flipped town, lol).

Anyway ... asked you some questions ... you gonna answer? It wasn't hard ... why did you want

US

to be the ones to hammer you earlier in the game?

~Drixx

[Varsoon]

"What is it about marshmallows that make them so... good?"

-Steven,

Winter Forecast

"It's probably the animal by-product."

-Connie,

Winter Forecast

VOTECOUNT 9.01

St Constantine the Hermit (2):

Reasonably Rational, Mastin2

Xtoxm (1):

St Constantine the Hermit

Not Voting (1):

Xtoxm

With 4 Alive, it takes 3 to Lynch.
Deadline

: (expired on 2015-10-06 01:50:00)

[St Constantine the Hermit]

Anyway ... asked you some questions ... you gonna answer? It wasn't hard ... why did you want US to be the ones to hammer you earlier in the game?

If I had some sort of plan, you could of just ruined it.

Mylo Tips to live by

[St Constantine the Hermit]

people are just too stupid to realize that Xtoxm is scum. But wait, it might be Mastin. You're not sure anymore.

After 9 days, there are strong reasons to scumread everyone still alive. I would not be surpised if Mastin2 flipped scum, but you convinced me Xtoxm has a better chance.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

If she were a gem, we would have fused.

I mean, in the show, connie was able to fuse with steven.

What did xtoxm claim?

[Reasonably Rational]

Anyway ... asked you some questions ... you gonna answer? It wasn't hard ... why did you want US to be the ones to hammer you earlier in the game?

If I had some sort of plan, you could of just ruined it.

Mylo Tips to live by

The fact that a super saint already flipped makes any plan you may have had meaningless. If you're vengeful, it doesn't matter who hammered you. Of course, there are other penalties for hammering you that could exist, but those are the obvious ones, and you decreased the odds of someone else hammering you simply by suggesting that you'd hammer yourself.

In the position we're in, it seems more likely that the not so subtle threat of asking for a specific person to hammer you was simply something meant to discourage anyone from lynching you.

-Cerb

Pedit: constantine claimed pet centipeedle, as we've said repeatedly. A bit character from a single episode, as much as your own claim is.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

Titus was dwelling on me hinting at being a supersaint. Probably tipped off xtoxm in the scum PT, which is why he is being smart enough not to vote me.

Did you ever ally with Xtoxm, Cerberus?

[St Constantine the Hermit]

Unvote just for the duration of this conversation btw

[St Constantine the Hermit]

Actually don't, that would be a bad idea now that I think about it. But seriously, did you ever attempt to ally with Xtoxm?

[Reasonably Rational]

If she were a gem, we would have fused.

I mean, in the show, connie was able to fuse with steven.

What did xtoxm claim?

Xtoxm's claim is in the main thread and since he has only 75 or 76 posts you should easily be able to find that on your own.

Believe me ... we can make a case against all three of you. The thing is, it only takes one assumption to put you at likely scum (some form of investigation immunity OR KlinconCelt reporting the wrong target as innocent), while it takes a series of assumptions for each of them to be scum, including the assumption that Varsoon would design a game where the central character is an IC, but the scum team will know his identity and be able to kill him before he can trigger his IC, unless sheer dumb luck intervenes. That's a really difficult assumption to swallow, all on its own, never mind the rest of the assumptions necessary in their individual cases. The assumption necessary for you to be scum is one that is so easy to accept, you yourself pointed it out.

Still waiting for you to answer about the Yellow Diamond thing.

Also, we noticed you wanted us to hammer you way back on day 2. It's the sort of thing that sticks out like a sore thumb. There's absolutely no way that anyone alive missed it since, you know, we're in a permanent neighborhood with them and asked what they thought about it. You gain nothing by trying to be secretive. If you are town, now is the time to be crystal clear. Self defeating insults and obfuscation and flailing just make you look more scummy.

~Drixx

P-Edit - I see Cerb posted. Xtoxm claimed Pet Centipeedle both to us and in the game thread.

P-Edit 2 - *sigh* I'll just shut up and let you two talk.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

Why do you think I am insulting you Drixx? I am perfectly calm and rational, having accepted my fate.

If Xtoxm fake claimed, you guys should be able to fuse with him tonight if we VTNL. It isn't lylo, I say we use the extra night.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

Permanent neighborhood? Makes sense set-up wise to have Steven Universe and Yellow Diamond in a permanent thread together, especially considering there is no known fusion in the TV series.

[Reasonably Rational]

Why do you think I am insulting you Drixx? I am perfectly calm and rational, having accepted my fate.

If Xtoxm fake claimed, you guys should be able to fuse with him tonight if we VTNL. It isn't lylo, I say we use the extra night.

There's an implied insult in any statement that says your experiences are so unique that we can't possibly comprehend what you see. It indicates that we lack either the empathy or the intelligence to draw parallels to our own experiences in order to allow us to comprehend your points. That's the insult. It's an easy one to give unintentionally, but if you're as careful with words as Drixx is, it's hard to miss.

And, well, go read the bold in drixx's post where we voted you. That's why there isn't an extra night.

Also, well, you didn't address the whole fact that your scenario requires that scum be given knowledge of who we were on D3, contrary to the way all the pieces of the game seemed to work together.

-Cerb

[St Constantine the Hermit]

So have xtoxm vote me and lets get this over with

[Reasonably Rational]

Well, I can't really control what he does.

-Cerb

[St Constantine the Hermit]

Then I guess we are waiting

Although this means nothing until after my flip, town lost this game.

[Reasonably Rational]

Then I guess we are waiting

Although this means nothing until after my flip, town lost this game.

The logic that clears Mastin and Xtoxm led directly to TrenchWarfare and Sonic being lynched, as well as led to fuzzy being logically cleared as town (which was shown to be true when grapes bizarrely lynched in a ridiculously scummy way, contradicting himself and forcing us to lynch him afterward). That logic has been spot on in every case so far.

You are welcome to show us how it can be right for those things but somehow wrong. I have literally gotten to my knees and begged you to make the case against Xtoxm. His ISO is not some gigantic unweildy thing where what I'm asking would be a bunch of hours of work. You should be able to make that case easily if you really believe it.

I begged you to show us where your words and actions make you a town read, and you declined to even try.

You refuse to do anything we would expect town to do in your place and have done everything scum routinely do in your place. Appeal to Fear and Appeal to Emotion aren't going to work.

The ball, as they say, is in your court.


Love,
Drixx

[Reasonably Rational]

UNVOTE:

Please constantine, just take some time and give us some actual concrete reasons why you're thinking what you are about the game.

-Cerb

[St Constantine the Hermit]

I never made cases in all my time playing this game.
I catch a lot of scum though. It is more gut than anything, and the longer you play, the better your gut gets.

There are few actual definitive arguments on Xtoxm, but if you anaylze his ISO and mainly his interactions/distance with Titus, he should ring pretty scum to most players.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

Still a couple questions left.

You claimed to know that I targetted Mastin2, but I know I didn't. Did you ever answer where this information came from?

Why didn't Xtoxm vote for me? Did Titus hint in the scum PT of the suspicion she expressed in the game about me being a supersaint?

Why was there no nightkill? What possibly could of stopped a nightkill?

[St Constantine the Hermit]

Does the mod confirmed flavor "Rave," sound like the kind of flavor homeworld gem scum would have?

Why are you in a permanent alliance with Xtoxm? Wouldn't that only make sense if he was Yellow Diamond and you were Steven Universe, considering the lack of an actual fusion in the show?