Mini 485: Formula One (Game Over)

[IH]

OK time to play catchup since I've let this game slip a bit.

DA reminds me of ABR.

But anyway, we have two candidates here, atm:

SPAG
Votes several players rapidly with little conviction, easily bends to the whim of town
or
Discordian Algorithm
Votes one person consistantly with much conviction, tries to convince the town that she's right.

Pretty much polar opposites. But, I don't really see any reason to lynch either.

Unvote: Discordian Algorithm

Major FoS:Paradoxombie

for the false dilemma. You don't HAVE to have two candidates.

What is up with the lurker hunting on page 3-4?

Pulse FoS's someone for wanting an early lynch, and then puts Spag at minus one.

Major FOS:Pulsewidth

Oj and Pulse width fail hard.

Slight FoS:Zindie

I think. Something to come back on if OJ comes up scum, though probably a correct statement (post 132)

FoS:Pulsewidth

for making excuses for OJ, and then kind of throwing Zindie off track (post 133, 135)

Major FoS:Pulsewidth

for the backtrack and "Forgetting" to fos (post 139)

SirWario looks town for pointing out a contradiction (Post 141)

vote: ojpower I don't like lurking and I don't like the timing of his hammer.

The first two letters of my role's names are "Ki" and "Ra". The first two letters of my teammate's are "Fe" and "Ma". I do not know my teammates alignment, and I do not know if he is a power role.

I do not think it is a good idea for other people to come forward and make partial claims like I just did, yet, but I think it is a good idea if we talk about other people making partial claims like I just did.

FoS

Uncalled for.

Major FoS

for say Spag claimed to have a teamate. He was a

townie

.

I think every townie has a responsibility to try to break the game for the town. Hello, that is called "winning". Unfortunately I don't even have the tiniest bit of knowledge about F1, I thought the names were fictional.

Breaking a game is not winning.

I don't like Polter's excuse for not posting.

I don't actually like the wagon on Polter.....

Why his unvoting and backtracking was a bit scummy, I would much rather prefer a pulsewidth or OJ lynch. DA's posts have been scummy.

FoS:Deadscilent

(186)

FoS:OJ

for post 191.

SCUMLIST-
Deathsauce
Pulse
DA


Scummy neutral-
DeadScilent
Polter

more townish-
Zindie
Wario

Neutral-
Everyone else

unvote, vote:Pulsewidth

I disagree with a polter lynch at the moment personally, and would prefer a DA or Pulse lynch. Deathsauce is also a very good candidate.

[SirWario]

Why would you FOS paradox when he's already dead. Haven't been paying closing enough attention, have we?

[pulsewidth]

1. Pulse FoS's someone for wanting an early lynch, and then puts Spag at minus one. Major FOS:Pulsewidth

2. FoS:Pulsewidth for making excuses for OJ, and then kind of throwing Zindie off track (post 133, 135)

3. Major FoS:Pulsewidth for the backtrack and "Forgetting" to fos (post 139)

1. First, I didn't FoS DA, I voted her. Why? Because she came out saying she wanted SPAG at -1 to lynch and her REASONS were all based on active games SPAG couldn't even comment on. That to me was scummy. Later on I did put SPAG at -1, and that was due to SPAG attacking people with craplogic and not defending himself well at all. Anyone who uses illogical or poorly thought-out attacks as a reason to vote for someone WILL go on my scumlist and possibly get a vote put on them. That is how I play.

2. I am not "making excuses" for oj. I have seen games where scum want to lynch an inactive player rather than get a replacement. I was trying to avoid that.

3. Uh, care to point out the backtrack? If I voted him, that would be backtracking.

As SirWario pointed out, you FoS'ed a dead guy. I wonder how much attention you are really giving this game. I highly suggest you go look back at the exchanges between me, Polter, and DA and see if you can figure out why there is a wagon on Polter. It's pretty obvious.

[IH]

Why would you FOS paradox when he's already dead. Haven't been paying closing enough attention, have we?

Clearly I haven't, which was why I made that recap post.

I started on page 4.

First, I didn't FoS DA, I voted her. Why? Because she came out saying she wanted SPAG at -1 to lynch and her REASONS were all based on active games SPAG couldn't even comment on. That to me was scummy. Later on I did put SPAG at -1, and that was due to SPAG attacking people with craplogic and not defending himself well at all. Anyone who uses illogical or poorly thought-out attacks as a reason to vote for someone WILL go on my scumlist and possibly get a vote put on them. That is how I play.

What gets me is it was on the same exact page.

I am not "making excuses" for oj. I have seen games where scum want to lynch an inactive player rather than get a replacement. I was trying to avoid that.

Yet you didn't even give OJ a chance to respond.

IH, you misunderstood me, but I might not have explained it very well. My point was that ojpower has recently been going around and doing what he did here: placing votes with no reasoning and then leaving. He isn't being very active in his games. If he doesn't come in here soon and explain himself, then I think he should be replaced instead of lynching him.

Having said that, I realize I forgot to FoS oj, so FoS: ojpower

Instead of just flatout replacing him, now you say he should explain himself.

Then you FoSed him, which you had "forgotten" to do.

[pulsewidth]

Bolded text are my responses.

First, I didn't FoS DA, I voted her. Why? Because she came out saying she wanted SPAG at -1 to lynch and her REASONS were all based on active games SPAG couldn't even comment on. That to me was scummy. Later on I did put SPAG at -1, and that was due to SPAG attacking people with craplogic and not defending himself well at all. Anyone who uses illogical or poorly thought-out attacks as a reason to vote for someone WILL go on my scumlist and possibly get a vote put on them. That is how I play.

What gets me is it was on the same exact page.

What was on the same page? I voted DA on page 3. Oh, wait. I see what you're talking about. Page 5. What about it? I explained my reason for my unvote on DA and knocked her down to an FoS. What is your point here?

I am not "making excuses" for oj. I have seen games where scum want to lynch an inactive player rather than get a replacement. I was trying to avoid that.

Yet you didn't even give OJ a chance to respond.

Again, I don't understand what you are getting at here. ojpower was incredibly inactive (didn't post anything between the 9th and 19th). People usually get replaced for being inactive, but sometimes scum will try to push for a lynch on an inactive player because it's easy. I was just trying to prevent that from happening.

IH, you misunderstood me, but I might not have explained it very well. My point was that ojpower has recently been going around and doing what he did here: placing votes with no reasoning and then leaving. He isn't being very active in his games. If he doesn't come in here soon and explain himself, then I think he should be replaced instead of lynching him.

Having said that, I realize I forgot to FoS oj, so FoS: ojpower

Instead of just flatout replacing him, now you say he should explain himself.

Then you FoSed him, which you had "forgotten" to do.

I never said we should flatout replace him. Here is what I said:

If he's going to be this inactive though, he should probably be replaced instead of being lynched.

In other words, if he continues to be inactive (i.e. not post an explanation, content, SOMETHING) then he should be replaced. That is PAR FOR THE COURSE in Mafiascum - inactive players get replaced.

If you go inactive, you will be replaced.

As for my FoS on ojpower that I forgot to add, dude, I posted it 40 minutes after my last post. I have several other games that I play in. Believe it or not, things sometime slip my mind. I noticed my mistake and corrected it.

[JDodge]

Vote Count:

Polter - 3 (SirWario, deadscilent, pulsewidth)
DeathSauce - 3 (ChaosOmega, discordian algorithm, Zindaras)
discordian algorithm - 2 (KaleiÐoscøpe, DeathSauce)
pulsewidth - 1 (IH)

Not voting (1): Polter

6 to lynch.

[JDodge]

Roach replaces deadscilent.

[pulsewidth]

*tap tap* Is this thing on?

Any thoughts Roach?

[JDodge]

Less than 24 hours until deadline.

[DeathSauce]

The only reaction I have is to IH's post at the top of this page. He places a FOS on basically everyone in the game.

I am firm with my vote on Discodancer Algoreism.

[ChaosOmega]

unvote, vote Polter

I'd rather see DeathSauce get lynched (even though it was through no actions of his own), but I'd rather have a Polter lynch over no lynch at all.

[Zindaras]

Mod

, what are the deadline rules?

[DeathSauce]

Whoa, I must have missed that we are under a deadline!

unvote, vote:Polter

[Roach]

Um...since I missed the first day, I'll just have to wait until D3 to get the ball rolling.

[Zindaras]

Dude, you have 20 hours or something to get a post in, that's more than enough.

[JDodge]

Mod

, what are the deadline rules?

I knew I was forgetting something.

Whomever has a majority, as long as it is more than half of the number of votes needed to lynch (currently 4). In case of a tie the first person to reach that number of votes is lynched.

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

Well, Dodge noticed that Polter is out of town, so he probably will be unable to reply anytime soon. I suggest we give him some more time before we are actually dropping the hammer here.

[Roach]

Uh..can we have an updated vote-count please?

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

I'm sure you can count. There was a VC this page and two votes were changed during that time.

[Roach]

VOTE: KaleiÐoscøpe

for so *kindly* pointing out that I can count.

[SirWario]

Right now we need imput from you, not worthless votes

[Zindaras]

Right now we need imput from you, not worthless votes

/agree wholeheartedly.

[Roach]

Whatever. My input?


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Everyone is (in my eyes) scummy as of now. I need another Day to get the gist of things, though.

[Zindaras]

No, you don't. This is a 10 page thread. It shouldn't take you too long to read it.

[Zindaras]

Time to do some analysis.

Polter:

Post 1:
Random vote.

Post 2:
At this time, SPAG was already lynched, so nothing useful here.

Post 3:
Polter starts the day by voting pulsewidth.

Post 4:
This is Polter's first serious post, following up on his vote. I've already responded to this. I think Polter's too eager to clear Dissy. I think his argument against pulsewidth isn't very strong either.

Post 5&Post 6&Post 7:
Proving a point to pulse.

Post 8:
I do not really see the point of this post.

Post 9:
Continuation of Post 9.

Post 10:
Continuation of the bantering.

Post 11:
Eh, slight pro-town vibes from this post.

Post 12&Post 13&Post 14:
Some discussion about inactivity. Asks Wario why he wasn't around and answers the same question thrown back at him.

Post 15:
I don't really get this post. I think Dissy's point here is fairly strong. The stuff about pulse asking for a replacement for ojpower has nothing to do with the quote. Polter also unvotes.

Post 16:
I don't really understand the Polter-Dissy interaction here.

I don't really know what to think of Polter. He's done some fairly controversial things. His push on Pulsewidth is mainly due to Pulsewidth's push on Dissy.

One of the things which makes me feel he is town is the speedy wagon which seems to be developing on him now. Overall, I have to say I'm leaning to town.

ojpower/DeathSauce:

Post 1:
Random vote.

Post 2:
And here we have the unexplained hammer. I think this is a huge scumtell, personally.

Post 3:
Note how oj completely ignores the SPAG-situation from Day One and the questions asked of him. Note also how his reasons for voting Dissy here are plain horrible and just flat-out not true.

Post 4:
And here we get the elusive explanation for the hammer. Apparently, SPAG was a distraction. Do I even have to explain why this is bad?

Post 5:
Calls Dissy scum for not attacking pulsewidth. Bad logic here. There is a huge addition of information between that statement from Dissy and her behaviour regarding you.

Post 6:
Note how he doesn't actually answer the question asked of him.

Post 7:
OMGUS.

Post 8:
Irrelevant.

Post 9:
DeathSauce's entry. A good post, though he limits himself to attacking Dissy, rather than defending himself.

Post 10:
Further arguments against Dissy. Though I agree about the buddying thing, I'm not sure I agree with the teammate stuff. I don't really see it as a scum thing to do.

Post 11:
Read on.

Post 12:
I

really

dislike people posting "Either is good".

Post 13:
I don't really see why this would be the only reaction to IH's post.

Post 14:
Switches to Polter...why?

Overall, my read on DeathSauce/ojpower is worse than the read I have on Polter. I thought DeathSauce's entry (Posts 9 and 10) were pretty good, but his subsequent posting has been somewhat lacking. Ojpower's posts are just plain horrible. Very scummy.

I will take a closer look at Dissy in the morning and decide on my vote (for now, it'll stay on DeathSauce). I would also advise Polter to claim, since it looks like he's going to die.