LoL eSports Discussion

Voidedmafia · Post Post #4775 (ISO) » Mon Sep 14, 2015 8:25 am

I think I did. Do you see Voidedlegend/vVv_Voided on there?

animorpherv1 · Post Post #4776 (ISO) » Mon Sep 14, 2015 8:30 am

animorpherv1 · Post Post #4777 (ISO) » Mon Sep 14, 2015 9:39 am

Anyone want to own team Dignitas or Dignitas EU? Sart bidding! You just need half a million dollars or more.

SnowStorm · Post Post #4778 (ISO) » Mon Sep 14, 2015 9:43 am

In post 4774, quadz08 wrote:http://pickem.lolesports.com/share/seri ... hMqa/32703

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Joined. No idea what I'm doing, but I want those poro icons!

Venmar · Post Post #4779 (ISO) » Mon Sep 14, 2015 11:52 am

I don't think Ball's performance in Korean SoloQ should have been looked at as an early indication of how he and C9 might do at worlds, the criticism he got is deserved because his poor performance in SoloQ is corroboreated by his slump in this last LCS split. It would be a different matter if Balls was still playing pretty well like his good old self in competitive play, in which case his SoloQ performance would have meant less.

Also am I the only one to fucking think that when people say "Oh this is Jatts job, he's an analyst!", that analyzing players on fucking

twitter

perhaps isn't the smartest way to do so? Presenting analysis on PTL, casting, LCs, Desk, shows, whatever, seems more appropriate given how Twitter has a reputation for a medium to shit talk people, leaving his comments to be taken out of proportion like they just were.

zoraster · Post Post #4780 (ISO) » Mon Sep 14, 2015 12:46 pm

i doubt you're the only one. But you're wrong. Dead wrong. Analysts in all fields do so on twitter: politics, sports, religion, etc.

It's not shit talking to say "balls has had trouble in solo queue <proof>" particularly as it fits with an overall theme of balls' decline.

Venmar · Post Post #4781 (ISO) » Mon Sep 14, 2015 12:49 pm

I wasn't saying Jatt was shittalking? I was saying that twitter has a lot it to go around, and people might've misinterpreted Jatt as doing so.

BROseidon · Post Post #4782 (ISO) » Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:14 pm

In post 4764, mykonian wrote:I think the backlash has less to do with the criticism, and more with who brought it and in what manner.

An analyst doing his job?

That's, like, the exact avenue to give it...

animorpherv1 · Post Post #4783 (ISO) » Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:15 pm

I honestly think the question is this:

Exactly how much does solo queue matter as a pro player?

BROseidon · Post Post #4784 (ISO) » Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:17 pm

In post 4767, zoraster wrote:I think Jatt was fine to bring up the criticism. I think C9 was fine to defend him.

Pros and Analysts do and should have different priorities and perspectives.

The way in which C9 defended Balls was incredibly unbecoming, though. They basically said "solo queue doesn't matter, [implications that Jatt is terrible at his job]," when solo queue is a good measure of certain skills that are relevant in competitive play, and Jatt is actually pretty good at his job (at least the analysis part. He definitely needs to grow more of a backbone)

BROseidon · Post Post #4785 (ISO) » Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:18 pm

In post 4783, animorpherv1 wrote:I honestly think the question is this:

Exactly how much does solo queue matter as a pro player?

A fair bit, actually.

There's a certain range you'd expect to see pros in, and Balls is clearly an outlier in a very, very bad way. It reflects the fact that Balls's mechanics have gone to shit in the past year (for a pro, at least), and his individual decision making has gotten pretty bad (overextending when there's a high chance the jungler is nearby, etc).

BROseidon · Post Post #4786 (ISO) » Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:18 pm

Let's be clear, here, Balls isn't a top half top laner in a region that is relatively weak for top laners.

xRECKONERx · Post Post #4787 (ISO) » Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:19 pm

C9 now: SOLO QUEUE PERFORMANCE DOESN'T MATTER FOR PRO PLAY
C9's open application requirements: Master/Challenger in soloQ

zoraster · Post Post #4788 (ISO) » Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:23 pm

I stand by what I said. Different perspectives, etc. theyre professionals. Part of that I'd rallying around teammates. They aren't analysts. Unprofessional is berating teammates.

BROseidon · Post Post #4789 (ISO) » Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:30 pm

Professional would be to not respond or to have provided a real explanation, not to have ad hommed Jatt.

zoraster · Post Post #4790 (ISO) » Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:34 pm

Who cares? they didn't ad hom him anyway did they? They ridiculed his analysis. I think they're wrong, but being professional as a pro gamer has little to do with analysts.

quadz08 · Post Post #4791 (ISO) » Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:39 pm

In post 4789, BROseidon wrote:Professional would be to not respond or to have provided a real explanation, not to have ad hommed Jatt.

I agree!

quadz08 · Post Post #4792 (ISO) » Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:39 pm

who the heck is smocke monster - snowstorm?

Venmar · Post Post #4793 (ISO) » Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:42 pm

In post 4787, xRECKONERx wrote:C9 now: SOLO QUEUE PERFORMANCE DOESN'T MATTER FOR PRO PLAY
C9's open application requirements: Master/Challenger in soloQ

There's few other ways to judge players other than that though for open applications.

SnowStorm · Post Post #4794 (ISO) » Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:42 pm

In post 4792, quadz08 wrote:who the heck is smocke monster - snowstorm?

Yep.

BROseidon · Post Post #4795 (ISO) » Mon Sep 14, 2015 4:59 pm

In which Thorin has bad opinions:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xv2Bj90P-QU

pickemgenius · Post Post #4796 (ISO) » Mon Sep 14, 2015 11:15 pm

My jimmies were pretty rustled after watching 15 min of that. Fortunately for me I can go cool them off by heading to sleep and not worrying about anything I just watched.

Holy shit though. That was.... something...

animorpherv1 · Post Post #4797 (ISO) » Tue Sep 15, 2015 12:48 am

People pay attention to Thorin?

zoraster · Post Post #4798 (ISO) » Tue Sep 15, 2015 12:55 am

Yes. He's pretty clearly the most influential content creator (who doesn't also work for riot) for the super vocal reddit minority, which amplifies him.

I view him like I do local sports talk radio.

animorpherv1 · Post Post #4799 (ISO) » Tue Sep 15, 2015 1:09 am

I've honestly not watched anything he's done in a long time.

Also, that came out far worse than intended.