NY 189 - Flower Viewing Festival [~fin~]

[Echo Echo]

Fuck you too.

[Shazam]

Ricastle, Tn, Banana today I thinks.

Maybe Mario.

This was Slander's last reads list. Two of the four flipped town, perhaps the other two needs a look at? In particular, I share the scumread that is Tn.

Alright then, I'll go for someone else.

VOTE: Banana
Because that unvote was weird. Jumping off the (already falling apart) main wagon makes Spiffeh less scummy, and completely nullifies all your reads on him enough to change your vote?

Also, FoS at MarioManiac for the vote on Sala. It seems like an attempt to counterwagon but with an RVS feel so he can go "guys it was a joke".

Actually, fuckit, I think Mario is worse.
VOTE: MarioManiac

I hate this post.

Why is scum shiro coming up with such bad logic unless she's trying to protect someone?

unvote salamance
Vote davsto

If Davesto is scum, this makes IaI town.

I want to lynch Davesto still.

On the other hand, I've read Mario's last 5 posts and am convinced that he's scum.

VOTE: MarioManiac4

I don't like this post. Boo. Like, what the heck?

VOTE: TN

VOTE: Salamence20

Using self-meta to try to clear yourself is scummy as fuck and I'm done with putting up with your shit.

VOTE: TN

~~~
By the way, ika's obviously town. I'll defend him to the grave.
~~~

/end of Day 1.


Well, that was shite.

VOTE: TN

This post really stuck out to me, so I edited it to leave the parts I consider relevant. Look at how bad his case on tn is. "I don't like this post" is the best he can do here. And he has the same response to Davsto, but doesn't vote Davsto. Since I'm convinced Davsto is town, this makes Echo Echo look really bad to me. It looks like busing for towncred plus a setup for a mislynch later. Or it could be a townie who feels like he doesn't have to give reasons for things, and ends up making two bad cases, one of which I happen to concur with and the other of which I don't. The reason I lean towards the former is that, reading Echo's iso, he seems capable of being more reasonable than this. But it's something for people to keep an eye on either way.

[Shazam]

@mod V/LA the 7th and maybe the 8th.

[Salamence20]

I think the TN wagon has merit.

I noted it in my case and others expaned on it

[ika]

Fuck you too.

your an alt who wont out themselfs. also somone who has spamed up pages

[I Am Innocent]

Sorry this game has taken the life out of me. Really starting to wonder about my Axle read, but through process of elimination, I'm starting to feel better about some things.

Normally I wouldn't do this, but the "vig kill" has me concerned for two reasons:

1) It could be aimed at me, it sounds like it pretty well was close to last night &
2) If Sal is really a Town vig, there probably is a Mafia Doctor***,

so all this talk about who to target at night could be helping scum protect themselves

.

claim town gunsmith

Obv from my second post D2 you will note I investigated Shiro N1, and she is not carrying a gun.

***A town gunsmith probably means one of two things present:
1) Sal is really an SK, and I could be thrown off by a positive on an FBI Agent
2) Sal is really a town vig, but them I'm guessing where I get thrown off is a Mafia Doctor or Traitor, probably the former as it lines up with town vig better.

Yeah, so unless Shiro is a Mafia Doctor (or Traitor) she is town.

Yeah and as both Sal and I already hinted earlier, Sakura is likely our other Mason. I'm sure if we both figured it out, at least one scum has too. I know I'll probably get blasted for saying it out loud, but like I said, it adds to my POE.

That means my flash wagon consisted of
1) Banana - Mason
2) Sakura - likely Mason
3) Shiro - likely town
4) Sal - likely town vig/SK

AND

pisskip, spiffeh, and ricastle. At least 1 (33% chance) or 2 (67% chance) has to be scum, as uncoincidentally, these 7 players also ended up on Mario's wagon.

The two that did not end up on Dav's wagon....spiffeh and ricastle.

I stand by what I said earlier, I think these are the best two candidates for lynch today. Both started the day pushing town wagons (mine and Shiro), both had posts D1 saying "if mario flips town, look at so and so", both were on two town wagons D1, and avoided the 3rd major wagon of D1.

Thoughts?

Sorry for the claim, if there wasn't an outted vig/Sk, I probably would have tried to stay quiet another day. I just thought all this information was important to get out there.

Discuss as I need a break from this game.

[Salamence20]

Mafia doc is not normal.

ALSO WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU NOT INVESTIGATE ME WTF

[Sakura Hana]

I'm not a mason.
Also

Unvote
Vote: tn

Just woke up from a nap, and Echo's stuff is really hard to comb through but i like spiffeh's points.

[I Am Innocent]

I think the TN wagon has merit.

I noted it in my case and others expaned on it

Yeah, Dav, Ricastle, and Spiffeh voting it, not touching it with a 10 foot pole, sorry.

[Salamence20]

Also there isnt an Sk. There were 2 kills.

[I Am Innocent]

Well, that's interesting.

VOTE: Shiro

Since Shiro's only non-RVS votes were on me and Mario, she is the first person I wanted to look into

, and unfortunately the only person I had time to look into further during N1. After rereading her, I no longer think she is likely scum.

Need to reread the other 5 living players on both Mario's and my wagons (ricastle, pisskop, Salamence, Sakura, Spiffeh) next. First tho, back to bed, it is Saturday for crying out loud lol.

See underlined.

[I Am Innocent]

Also there isnt an Sk. There were 2 kills.

The assumption being you are really an SK and not a town vig. Which if ur scum hunting, I really don't care about personally.

If an FBI Agent ever does flip tho, I'd suggest you be autolynched.

[I Am Innocent]

I'm not a mason.
Also

Unvote
Vote: tn

Just woke up from a nap, and Echo's stuff is really hard to comb through but i like spiffeh's points.

I'm really glad u didn't take over that leader role like I suggested early D2.

Look at the speed and crew that jumped on....sheesh.

[Shiro]

Okay, Echo read exchanges with tn. That's a good pile of evidence.

VOTE: tn5421

I was about to suggest shots for you Sala but then I realised I wasn't a broken record.

Id rather vig myself than shoot shiro

<3


But why ? I am like legit curious as to why you think I am town to that extend ?

tn is in my null space so I wouldn't be too sad about his death.

Also I just realised I forgot flubbers existance till a few seconds ago, when that happened in the past he was scum, although it was in just one game and I am psure I had someone mention that he does that regardless so bleh

P.edit:Whoa a bomb was dropped. Damn

Also there isnt an Sk. There were 2 kills.

Psure he means you sala.

P.edit 2 Godamn it I was ninjad on the above >.>

[Sakura Hana]

Are you only looking at the voters or are you looking at the points too.
If the points make sense to you, and you think scum is voting, then they might be busing, why not let them?
If the points make no sense to you, explain why?

[I Am Innocent]

Mafia doc is not normal.

Try again.

A Mafia Doctor in a Normal game does not return a guilty result to a Gunsmith (unless it is part of a Jack of All Trades),

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mafia_Doctor

[I Am Innocent]

Are you only looking at the voters or are you looking at the points too.
If the points make sense to you, and you think scum is voting, then they might be busing, why not let them?
If the points make no sense to you, explain why?

It's D2 and that wagon was too fast, and had too many scummy people jump on. Not seeing it, sorry.

[Davsto]

Yeh, IaI, I'm honestly confused - why didn't you check Sala?

Sala claimed vig sometime around 1287, and an inspect could have confirmed whether he is actually vig or he is sk.

[Shiro]

Mafia doc is not normal.

ALSO WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU NOT INVESTIGATE ME WTF

It would be shitty if he did tbh. You were heavily hinting that you were a vig

ALSO

Mafia rolestopper. It is normal and I am fairly certain it stops kills as well


P.edit AND I GOT NINJAD AGAIN but at least not for the same point

Yeh, IaI, I'm honestly confused - why didn't you check Sala?

Sala claimed vig sometime around 1287, and an inspect could have confirmed whether he is actually vig or he is sk.

Not it wouldn't. Doesnt gunsmith get a positive on both ?

[I Am Innocent]

Yeah Flubber has entered my radar too. Just saying this as he started as a town read for me (liked his entrance to the game, it has been all crap from there). I only have scum meta for him tho, would be curious if someone has played with town flubber...

[Shazam]

2) Sakura - likely Mason


AND

pisskip, spiffeh, and ricastle. At least 1 (33% chance) or 2 (67% chance) has to be scum, as uncoincidentally, these 7 players also ended up on Mario's wagon.

The two that did not end up on Dav's wagon....spiffeh and ricastle.

I stand by what I said earlier, I think these are the best two candidates for lynch today. Both started the day pushing town wagons (mine and Shiro), both had posts D1 saying "if mario flips town, look at so and so", both were on two town wagons D1, and avoided the 3rd major wagon of D1.

Did you explain the Sakura read somewhere? I couldn't find it skimming your iso. Also, if you thought she was a mason, why would you out it? In my opinion, she has as good a chance of being scum as those other three you mentioned. As I've stated before, I don't think it's spiffeh. If you feel strongly about Ricastle, I could possibly be convinced to vote him. But I would need something else besides this PoE. Same goes for pisskop.

EDIT: And now Sakura has explicitly said she's not a mason, which I think is automatically true.

[Sakura Hana]

Yeah Flubber has entered my radar too. Just saying this as he started as a town read for me (liked his entrance to the game, it has been all crap from there). I only have scum meta for him tho, would be curious if someone has played with town flubber...

I have only town meta from him (and tbf it was only 1 game), from way long ago where i was scum and got vig'd N1... so i actually didnt need to read him.

[Shiro]

Yeh, IaI, I'm honestly confused - why didn't you check Sala?

Sala claimed vig sometime around 1287, and an inspect could have confirmed whether he is actually vig or he is sk.

Just checked and yeap

In Normal games on mafiascum.net, a Gunsmith gets guilties on all Mafia (except Traitors and Doctors), Cops,

Vigilantes

, Gunsmiths, Role Cops, Vanilla Cops, Backups of roles with guns and JoATs that have any of these listed powers

He would just have a guilty and we still wouldnt know if sk or vig.

[I Am Innocent]

Yeh, IaI, I'm honestly confused - why didn't you check Sala?

Sala claimed vig sometime around 1287, and an inspect could have confirmed whether he is actually vig or he is sk.

Because half the time I don't believe Sal's claims, not something I wanted to waste D1 when I felt there were better targets (Shiro, Spiffeh).

[Shiro]

Wait no I am dumb gunsmith get inno from sk cause in flavour they use knives