Mafia 68: Ork - Game over!

[CoolBot]

IIf the priest is offed, the Inspector is either scum or scum want us to think so. We can handle that situation.

Yes, there'd be no neon sign pointing to scum, but we're not a bunch of newbies here. We don't need the Inspector to win. Scum impersonating an Inspector would have to give us true results, or risk being lynched. And sooner or later, suspicion would turn on an Inspector who can't find scum.

[Guardian]

the priest is offed, the Inspector is either scum or scum want us to think so. We can handle that situation. And I already addressed what happens if the Priest is lying: after we lynch the Inspector, we learn the Priest lied, so we lynch him or the vig offs him.

Untrue. If the scum has killed someone else, and the priest doesn't survive the night, we have an unconfirmed inspector. So what do we do? Assume he's telling the truth and risk scum feeding us false investigations? (which will be true as he knows everyones alignements)

Yes, until proven otherwise -- mass claim is so good for town if the inspector was not night killed, that it is worth making this assumption -- it is not like it "AUTO LOSES". If we figure out he is lying, we can lynch him later, but for the time being we assume the scum weren't lucky bastards.

[scotmany12]

And how do you propose we figure out that the inspector is lying guardian?

[scotmany12]

Wow I posted without finishing. If the scum claims inspector, we have nothing really to prove him wrong other than the priest.

[Guardian]

If the inspector after like 4/5 days doesn't get us a guilty, he is either really shitty as an inspector, or we should be very suspicious of him.

I would be willing to bet my mafia career that the inspector is not dead. Basing all opposition to this on the inspector being dead is silly.

[scotmany12]

You just basically gave a way for the scum to basically win the game guardian if they did kill the inspector.

Its not silly, cause if one power role is dead, especially the inspector, the scum have a safe claim and can slide through the game.

[CoolBot]

You just basically gave a way for the scum to basically win the game guardian if they did kill the inspector.

No, if an Inspector doesn't give us any guilty results, we start looking hard at the Inspector. In fact, after a few days, we should anyway. But there's no harm in letting a particular scum go for a day or two. After all, we can't get them all on one day.

[ShadowLurker]

Urzassedatives and Mert have both requested replacement. I am getting on it

[Mastermind of Sin]

someone want to update the oppose/support list?

[Urzassedatives]

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[Kinetic]

spectrumvoid

Shanba

Support

Guardian

Support

scotmany12

Against?

Urzassedatives

Being Replaced

Gorrad

Support

Sefer

Support

Khelvaster

Against

CoolBot

Support

IH

Against

but will claim
Mastermind of Sin

Support

Kinetic

Support

Pie_is_good

Support

Mert

Being Replaced

Yosarian2

Support

Haut Boy

Never Posted still...

curiouskarmadog

Against

but will claim

So we have 9 Supports
4 Against
2 Being Replaced
1 Never Posted

Some things might be, just bold Support or Against in your post and I'll update if I'm wrong.

[Shanba]

OK.

Mod: Can we have a replacement for Haut Boy

[curiouskarmadog]

spectrumvoid

Shanba

Support

Guardian

Support

scotmany12

Against?

Urzassedatives

Being Replaced

Gorrad

Support

Sefer

Support

Khelvaster

Against

CoolBot

Support

IH

Against

but will claim
Mastermind of Sin

Support

Kinetic

Support

Pie_is_good

Support

Mert

Being Replaced

Yosarian2

Support

Haut Boy

Never Posted still...

curiouskarmadog

Against

but will claim

So we have 9 Supports
4 Against
2 Being Replaced
1 Never Posted

Some things might be, just bold Support or Against in your post and I'll update if I'm wrong.

please quit putting words in my mouth..I think I have stated several times that I am unsure

[curiouskarmadog]

oh I am sorry..

unsure

[Kinetic]

There is no unsure option. As far as I'm concerned you're against it until you support it. There isn't a gray line here. I usually hate generalizations like this, but in this case it is that simple. You can't have it both ways. Pick one. I didn't put you in support because you have not shown support for it yet.

[Shanba]

Kinetic, that's just dumb.

[Yosarian2]

I'm just going to point something out here, for future reference -- I think it is sometimes good to lie/be deceptive as town in mafia. For example:

Here, I

do

think mass claim pretty much puts us on a really good road towards winning -- but that is harder to convince people of.

However, it is almost trivial to convince people that mass claiming is better than not mass claiming, since mass claiming is quite obviously more beneficial than not mass claiming.

...except that if you say something obveously not true like that, it undermines your entire argument and makes you look scummy as well.

[Yosarian2]

If the priest is offed, the Inspector is either scum or scum want us to think so. We can handle that situation.

Um, the priest is probably about the third most powerful role in the game at this point after the cop and the doc, especally if we're going to mass claim, as the priest can confirm claimed roles as innocents. So I don't think we could read anything like that into the priest getting killed; assuming the doc claims townie, the priest seems a fairly logical target no matter what.

[ShadowLurker]

Mod: Can we have a replacement for Haut Boy

No.

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Also if anyone would like a tag put on Urza's post because they do not want to see "Lick a cock" let me know.

[ShadowLurker]

Tarhalindur replaces Mert

[Guardian]

I'm just going to point something out here, for future reference -- I think it is sometimes good to lie/be deceptive as town in mafia. For example:

Here, I

do

think mass claim pretty much puts us on a really good road towards winning -- but that is harder to convince people of.

However, it is almost trivial to convince people that mass claiming is better than not mass claiming, since mass claiming is quite obviously more beneficial than not mass claiming.

...except that if you say something obveously not true like that, it undermines your entire argument and makes you look scummy as well.

This is exactly what I mean -- I pointed this out here for meta-reasons -- concerning this game alone, I probably should have not said that I think that, because, in general, it is better for me to

have lied

and not said that I believed that.

Make sense?

[scotmany12]

You just basically gave a way for the scum to basically win the game guardian if they did kill the inspector.

No, if an Inspector doesn't give us any guilty results, we start looking hard at the Inspector. In fact, after a few days, we should anyway. But there's no harm in letting a particular scum go for a day or two. After all, we can't get them all on one day.

I'm not going to explain for you how the scum can get by this, cause I don't want to inform them. But i guarantee you that if they are even a little smart, you have basically told them a way to get around this. You should also be able to realize how this is possible.

[CoolBot]

I know full well it's possible for scum, while impersonation an Inspector, may give us a true result on another scum to clear himself. That's why I said we should look hard at the Inspector after a few days anyway. You know, just like any other game ever played.

Um, the priest is probably about the third most powerful role in the game at this point after the cop and the doc, especally if we're going to mass claim, as the priest can confirm claimed roles as innocents. So I don't think we could read anything like that into the priest getting killed; assuming the doc claims townie, the priest seems a fairly logical target no matter what.

The Priest cannot find scum. He is no threat to them if they don't claim Inspector or Angel.

[IH]

The fact that you're willing to dismiss these things easily does not bode well with me Coolbot.

The original supporters of the mass claim and Coolbot are generally making me nervous. The attitude. The steadfast tenacity, and general unwillingness to actually want to discuss any negative effects...

[Khelvaster]

I would feel better without a massclaim, but if that is what the majority thinks, I don't think I have enough experience when compared to someone like coolbot.

Do I have a choice in the matter?