STEVEN UNIVERSE MAFIA - GAME OVER

[TheFuzzylogic99]

RR
One or more of yall of scum by POE depending if we have one or two scum left

RR- is conf twn like or not
Farsise and Sonic and Grapes are town by VCA

that's leaves
You
Xtoxm
Mastin
Hermit

[TheFuzzylogic99]

and Cooldog

[Reasonably Rational]

@Sonic - Both of our heads have gone out of our way to say that the evidence

currently

points to you as the most likely source of the knowledge that Titus had which she shouldn't have had. We've both said we fully expect that we have to update that when we see the flip.

Obviously the assertion that Titus just magically guessed because you wanted to be targeted by abilities is just absurd. Firstly, she posted with absolute certainty exactly what your ability was going to do (give you fuzzy's refill ability). Even if we assume she somehow magically guessed it and was somehow so certain ... why would a town Titus out that information publicly when up to that point you were claiming just Gladiator? When town, Titus goes literally

crazy

when it comes to rolefishing or outing roles. So even if I accept the absurd premise that out of a huge amount of possible reasons you might want to be targeted, Titus somehow gleaned exactly what your ability was and was so sure of the guess to speak of it with certainty, there's still Titus acting out of character. It appears to be a legit scum slip, which are actually remarkably uncommon, especially from experienced players.

So Titus got that knowledge from somewhere. You told Mastin who told Xtoxm and us. We didn't tell Titus. Logically, Mastin and Xtoxm (despite being a total lurksack and giving zero effort) can't be on the same team as the two scum we have seen that flipped. One of them could be 3rd party (Xtoxm would be my bet if there is a 3rd party), or there could be a 2nd scum team, but we have basically no evidence of a 2nd scum team. The extra kill we saw came at season finale, and until it happens again, it should probably be assumed we have one scum team and that they get an extra kill at the finale (which we should be careful to account for).

That leaves you as the source of Titus having that information,

assuming Titus has been honest that she has 1-shot of rolecop that gets refilled on the season finale

. It seems to me more likely that she either has more shots and could have used it on you to get your role, or that a scum partner actually has the rolecop ability, or some other possibility that is less likely but still possible.

So would you kindly (hope you get the reference) please stop being so irritated that we feel the evidence,

as it currently stands

, points to you ... and instead focus on letting your actions speak for you. There are frankly at least 2 or 3 people who by play output considerably worse reads than you. There's no need to be on the super defensive, especially when we've been quite clear that it's simply a question of where Titus got that information. New information means updating priors and re-evaluating things.

I also disagree, heavily, with the idea that if someone gets one read wrong, they are automatically rubbish forever. That's absurd. Almost every game ever on site has featured town vs. town tunnels and people who got some reads wrong but later at crunch time came through and got it right (and vice versa). Not that we expect them to be very eager to confirm this, but Cerberus was there also and can confirm that I was on Maxwell two nights ago and immediately pressured him in our alliance. Mastin did some heavy lifting on that lynch, but there's objective evidence that I had him as a scum read and pushed him (and he didn't respond well at all).

The point here is that we didn't know for sure that scum would have convincing fake claims until Fro99er flipped, and if you go back and re-read my posts, I was arguing to let him explain himself. I hadn't really decided one way or the other when I clicked submit on the post where I was basically saying "hold your horses ... him visiting someone who didn't die doesn't automatically make him scum. Let him explain himself" and saw that he had hammered himself. I don't know if I would have decided he was scum if he had continued to try to explain things away and stay alive, or if I would have believed him ultimately. The biggest problem with trying to use logic to figure out the game is that there is so little that you can safely assume or that you know for sure in the early game. One of the great things about forum mafia is that we all approach it a little bit differently,

so a town who works together has many strengths

to help cover up individual weaknesses.

So if you really are town, Sonic, then just chill and let's eradicate the scum and win this. "It's not so bad once you get use to it!"

Serious Steven...

ACTIVATE!

Love,
Drixxy Poo

P.S. - Anyone have any ideas how to get Cooldog and Xtoxm to engage more so we can figure them out? I'm especially concerned about a possible Survivor in a LYLO situation... or an even more harmful 3rd party.

[Reasonably Rational]

You win the game when all threats to the Beach City Residents have been defeated and at least one Beach City Resident is alive.

You know that's not good enough.

-Cerb

[TheFuzzylogic99]

I am kinda thinking that TW might be a 3rd party survivor or some other third party. GUT feeling so there is no hard proof. This would kinda make sense for their character. Part of me wants to lynch bc they are prob scum but part of me is convinced that they is a third party.I am not sure. I am 99 percent sure Sonic is town. Evidence points that way/
If they dont want to help the town they should die bc we cant take any chance they are scum.

[TheFuzzylogic99]

I knda want to chill with either Xtoxm or Hermit tonight,,,,, what do you think RR

[Varsoon]

CooLDoG has been prodded.

[Reasonably Rational]

I knda want to chill with either Xtoxm or Hermit tonight,,,,, what do you think RR

I think you should ally us tonight and motivate us. And hermit can join that pt if he'd like to.

-Cerb

[TheFuzzylogic99]

ok

[TheFuzzylogic99]

what bothers me is that TW had claimed cop atleast two days ago and there seems to been no attempt to kill her. Nic was a tracker which is a less powerful role than TW who claimed role cop. When a claim cop goes untouched for a while it makes me nervous as the do turn up to be scum. I haven't dismiss the idea of her being some third party ..

[TheFuzzylogic99]

I should say they often turn up to be scum from my expierence

[Varsoon]

Searching for a replacement for CooLDoG.
Tell your friends.

[grapes]

nice

[grapes]

hey xtox we should ally dude

[Sonic X]

ok i think we can lynch TW now

shes at l-2 i dont think my gladiate is necessary (let's not waste precious resources, especially when the IC doesn't want me to be refilled!)

[Reasonably Rational]

The snide commentary is unnecessary. I actually still have no reason to even think you actually have a gladiate.

-Ceeb

[Sonic X]

fuzzy will prove it?

[grapes]

Don't see what's the hurry? Would rather hear things from the replacement at any rate.

[Sonic X]

you already used a serious steven thing right?

[Reasonably Rational]

Don't see what's the hurry? Would rather hear things from the replacement at any rate.

Agreed. No hurry imo. People seem to just like to rush the day end cause they get bored.

Xtoxm grapes
RR fuzzy, with hermit invited if he wants.
Sonic farside

What else is happening alliance wise?

[Xtoxm]

sure thing grapes

[farside22]

Could we lynch cooldog?

[Xtoxm]

are you high?

[farside22]

No.

[NicCage]

do you wanna be