BM's Mystery Mafia!! GAME OVER???

[Mastermind of Sin]

I have access again. Thanks to SSF for posting for me. That was weird, but it works not for some reason. Same thing for input to this game, but at least I'm here if needed.

[Aimee]

I`m just saying hi. So er... hi?

[Battle Mage]

HI AIMEE!

[Oman]

I wonder how Erg0 can say that we will get no information from an Albert lynch, when apparently, at least three people (on this page anyways) have decided that Albert is a bad lynch, for NO apparent reason.
Considering he daykilled a cop with no warning, I see no reason for him to be town,

The reason I think he's town atm is that it would be rediculous for him to be scum. Just as people who don't fit in, either flavourwise or with their actions, to the town look scummy. Its a matter of town and scum being mutually exclusive.

Also, if he is scum (which I'll grant is a possibility) he's failing badly, so I see no harm is keeping him around.

Skruffs: example 1) Albert comes up scum: who are his scumbuddys?

[Erg0]

I wonder how Erg0 can say that we will get no information from an Albert lynch, when apparently, at least three people (on this page anyways) have decided that Albert is a bad lynch, for NO apparent reason.

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Considering he daykilled a cop with no warning, I see no reason for him to be town, and I see no reason for scum, if he is town, to want to go after him. Like Erg0 said - he's an easy lynch. 'Why lynch someone scummy right now', I can picture scum thinking, 'if he's going to be an easy lynch later on, when one of us are in trouble'.

Anyways the point of this post is to discredit Ergo's 1/100 chance he's town vs 99/100 he's scum but it would be an infoless lynch. There's three people right there who think that what he did was townish, which I don't really see a town having any reason to do. It was NOT town to do what he did in the fashion he did it. People are saying it's too scummy to be scum, that's ridiculous.

Now, mind you, me and Albert are BOTH voting xdaamno, so...

I said Albert was a bad lynch

before

the other two spoke up, so I could hardly take that into account when stating that we got no information. To be clear, I absolutely think Albert is town, anything else I say on the subject is merely an attempt to persuade others who think he's scum not to vote for him.

As for having no apparent reason to think that Albert's a townie - my reason is in the post you quoted. I don't see what he did as a good scum gambit. It's not good play for a townie either, but it's a worse play for scum.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Skruffs, its very simple. I could have simply told the mod who I wanted dead without revealing my hand. That's what I would do if I were scum. The fact I made myself so wrong discredits a scum Rampage.

FoS Skruffs

[SirWario]

Also, if he is scum (which I'll grant is a possibility) he's failing badly, so I see no harm is keeping him around

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erg0, if he's scum, then he is definitely succeeding at the moment. He just killed our cop. We don't know how much more damage he's capable of inflicting on the town.

[Oman]

That quote is actually me.

Regardless of who said it, its right. He killed our cop, yes, but he didn't KNOW bobby was cop (unless mafia have a rolecop?). Also I can think of a few reasons he shouldn't have killed bobby:

Bobby looked scummy at that point (IIRC) scum like to keep suspicious townies alive.

It drew waaay to much heat to Albert. In fact, he's the top vote atm

More damage? ATM no-one beleives anything he says, so directing lynches is out. Also, I doubt there is a multiple mafia assasin in this game. One shot is about the limit.

[GodOfWine]

Oman thats just stupid. Hes the best lynch, you know it and you're just struggling to keep the mentally insane member (ABR) of your evil mafia trio alive. (you and erg0 are the others, naturally) you manipulative little hound.

we must lynch ABR because I said so, and I am King.

[Erg0]

I thought you were God?



Give me a good case on Albert and I'll vote him. I've already rebutted the existing argument, and nobody seems interested in debating it.

[Oman]

Oman thats just stupid. Hes the best lynch, you know it and you're just struggling to keep the mentally insane member (ABR) of your evil mafia trio alive. (you and erg0 are the others, naturally) you manipulative little hound.

we must lynch ABR because I said so, and I am King.

Thats rediculous. All of that is circumstantical. If any one of us shows up town, the arguments on the others is shot.

The arugment on ABR as stated so far is nonexistant

[Oman]

I've been thinking it over and I know beleive that GOW was reaching a bit too far to make me comfortable there.

I'm gonna do a reread on him before I do anything more then a

FoS: GOW

[Oman]

Just realised I never concluded this.

Looking back, you're not up to a vote yet, but my Eff Oh Es stands. I noticed as well this game had a suprising amount of jokes/sarcasm.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Oman thats just stupid. Hes the best lynch, you know it and you're just struggling to keep the mentally insane member (ABR) of your evil mafia trio alive. (you and erg0 are the others, naturally) you manipulative little hound.

we must lynch ABR because I said so, and I am King.

Haven't done my reread yet, but from what I've seen on this page, this post is retarded.

[Erg0]

I knew I unvoted that guy for a reason.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Yeah GoW is pretty retarded/emotional.

[Kison]

Unvote

-> Replacement

FoS : gameshark1313

-> Doesn't necessarily clear you.

Albert's posts remain unhelpful, but I still don't think his actions conclusively name him scum for all the reasons I have laid out before.

GodOfWine's consistent push to lynch him, however, is completely unfounded. GodOfWine responded to Oman's last post critically(despite the fact I think he was partly joking), but without constructive counter arugments. Sorry, but calling his(Oman's) logic stupid isn't going to get your point across. The allegations you make of Oman<->Albert scumbuddies is also completely unfounded.

Vote : GodOfWine

for continuing to push potentially easy wagon with horrid reasoning.

[Oman]

GodOfWine's consistent push to lynch him, however, is completely unfounded. GodOfWine responded to Oman's last post critically

(despite the fact I think he was partly joking)

, but without constructive counter arugments. Sorry, but calling his(Oman's) logic stupid isn't going to get your point across. The allegations you make of Oman<->Albert scumbuddies is also completely unfounded.

GoW has tried the joke excuse several times now. I'm not going to accept it this time, and I don't think anyone else should either. He clearly was serious about what he meant.

I want to know why erg0 is suddenly obvobv scum? Erg0 is one of the town players in my mind, and GoW is suddenly calling him scum "naturally". Once again a resounding "WTF?"

[GodOfWine]

I was extremely serious, Oman, you are correct. ABR recklessly killed the cop. What is townie about that?

[Skruffs]

I said Albert was a bad lynch

before

the other two spoke up, so I could hardly take that into account when stating that we got no information. To be clear, I absolutely think Albert is town, anything else I say on the subject is merely an attempt to persuade others who think he's scum not to vote for him.

As for having no apparent reason to think that Albert's a townie - my reason is in the post you quoted. I don't see what he did as a good scum gambit. It's not good play for a townie either, but it's a worse play for scum.

So, too scummy to be scum. Okay. Very wifom, okay. On the other hand, saying that you said your post before the others sounds like you are ceding that information could NOW be had from his lynch.

The reason I think he's town atm is that it would be rediculous for him to be scum.

Also, if he is scum (which I'll grant is a possibility) he's failing badly, so I see no harm is keeping him around.

Skruffs: example 1) Albert comes up scum: who are his scumbuddys?

Again, too scummy to be scum, which almost makes it a perfect scum gambit, apparently, because if you are town, and he's not, you'd be falling for it.
I think we'd be much more likely to see who is scum by if he turns up town than if he turns up scum.

Skruffs, its very simple. I could have simply told the mod who I wanted dead without revealing my hand. That's what I would do if I were scum. The fact I made myself so wrong discredits a scum Rampage.

FoS Skruffs

Whoa. No way. You do NOT get to fos me for questioning your motives. You just daykilled a cop without giving him ANY chance to claim, defend, etc, for the sole reason that the other person you were so suspicious of, bobby, refusing to claim for you. Why did he refuse to claim? PRobably because he had no real idea that you were dayvig, or, because you are his buddy and knew you wouldn't actually kill him. It could so easily have been staged, and you can not deny that, unless you are still as blind as you were before you killed the cop.
So, uh, sorry, no.

erg0, if he's scum, then he is definitely succeeding at the moment. He just killed our cop. We don't know how much more damage he's capable of inflicting on the town.

Which reminds me : Albert - one shot or not?

Regardless of who said it, its right. He killed our cop, yes, but he didn't KNOW bobby was cop (unless mafia have a rolecop?). Also I can think of a few reasons he shouldn't have killed bobby:

He would have known if he had waited for half a minute, and asked him like he had asked hiw original 'target'. HE didn't. Your excuse is saying "Well he can't be held ACCOUNTABLE because he didn't KNOW who he was killing"... when a day vig has the option of being more successful than a night vig because he can use that ability WITH town's help/guidance or to solve options like solving counter claims, etc. Using it for personal pleasure is a gross neglect of responsibilities, at best.
Secondly - role cop? WHen would the role cop have been able to use their ability? Or do you mean day-role-cop with a the ability to day-talk? No. Albert would have Known if he had given bobby a chance to claim, which he didn't.

Bobby looked scummy at that point (IIRC) scum like to keep suspicious townies alive.

What made Bobby look suspicious to you?

It drew waaay to much heat to Albert. In fact, he's the top vote atm

By your very previous statement, killing the most suspicious player was okay for the vig to do - but it's not okay for the town to do? You seem to be sayign that Albert should NOT be responsible for his actions, and that's just wrong.

More damage? ATM no-one beleives anything he says, so directing lynches is out. Also, I doubt there is a multiple mafia assasin in this game. One shot is about the limit.

You haven't seen any defense of albert?

AGain, I am not necessarily saying that ALbert is scum, but his actions are a heck of a lot more useful to scum if he is going to continue playing this way than they are for town, and I wouldn't be surprised if scum was defending him regardless of his role.

Oman thats just stupid. Hes the best lynch, you know it and you're just struggling to keep the mentally insane member (ABR) of your evil mafia trio alive. (you and erg0 are the others, naturally) you manipulative little hound.

we must lynch ABR because I said so, and I am King.

Trio? Do you know something about the size of hte mafia(s) that we don't, GodofWine? I had used the 25% rule with the 18 player roster to determine there is likely a 4 player scum group with maybe an SK, lyncher, or survivor in the group.

[Skruffs]

Give me a good case on Albert and I'll vote him. I've already rebutted the existing argument, and nobody seems interested in debating it.

The arugment on ABR as stated so far is nonexistant

I believe ABR has provided his own case against himself.
You have taken it on yourself to assume he is town and defend him from the evil persecuters who wish to stop him from recklessly randomly dayvigging in the future.
The main defense that I have seen for ABR being town is that what he did was too scummy to be scum, which is a pointless, useless case, because it effectively means as long as ABR stays acting as scummy as possible he'll be above suspicion. I'll call this "The Battle Mage" defense.

Lastly - you wonder why GodofWine has tried to piece the three of you together. Parroters.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Meh you have to look at the simplest answers instead of making up things, Skruffs.

Vote GoW

because he's an extremist.

[Skruffs]

Albert, what drives you to suggest ignoring concepts slightly more advanced in nature?

[JordanA24]

I doubt Albert is scum, I mean, it's not like he knew Bobby was a cop, and as Erg0 said, why would he kill a random town player rather than save it for later (presuming it's 1-shot if he's scum).

Unvote Vote: GOW

, for pushing an easy scumwagon, using stupid reasoning.

[GodOfWine]

I can't understand why the "too scummy to be scum" defense is still standing. I apparently am the popular vote now because I decided to promote voting for the player who just killed our cop without wanrning or precaution. I'm sorry if I'm the only one who finds that scummy, and would like to rid the game of a player who will continue to act recklessly.

Oman and Erg0 who like to defend ABR, you have a tendency to build your defense on the

assumption

that ABR is town. Stop that.