STEVEN UNIVERSE MAFIA - GAME OVER

[Reasonably Rational]

Being both a motivator and a pizza vendor makes perfect sense for the cool kids, given that the cool kids are comprised of Buck Dewey, Jenny(whose family runs the pizza shop), and Sour Cream(who is a DJ, and you'd think would have the same effect on a PT that you have, actually...), and they, as a group, work to cheer up Steven in Joy Ride.

-Cerb

[TheFuzzylogic99]

why do you believe Sonics and not mine bc it doesn't seem you are foing by voting records and such. I am confused by you as well

bc I have explained myself a hundred times already and RR has told you a hundred time and you keep pushing the same bad points...that why its like talking to a wall

[St Constantine the Hermit]

Fuzzy, do your alliance PT's have a special name?

[TheFuzzylogic99]

just says Sonic X and Fuzzyloigic Alliance

[TheFuzzylogic99]

ask Sonic and he will tell you the same.....

[St Constantine the Hermit]

No need, I believe you

[TheFuzzylogic99]

can you tell me why you believe Sonics claims and not mine bc his is more unlikely of the two,,,,

[TheFuzzylogic99]

not saying he faking but Im trying to make sense of your logic???

[St Constantine the Hermit]

TBH I forgot what Sonic claimed

[TheFuzzylogic99]

he claimed light Prism but that seems to be a moot point in the discussion since you forgot,,,,,
Why would I pick Cool kids over Kofi if I was scum knowing Cool kids would be the harder claim to accept by the town

[TheFuzzylogic99]

I would be pretty dense to do so don't you think

[Metal Sonic]

Well, about that...

[St Constantine the Hermit]

@Fuzzy

Because you have a universal tendency to post before you think of the consequences.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

If you are town, don't even bother saying you lied

[TheFuzzylogic99]

except I crumbed the role which points to the fact I did think it out......

I am town and I have not lied this entire game,,,,,,

[Reasonably Rational]

Sorry Sonic, but I have to reveal what your role does(I mean, not that sorry, because part of this logical process ends in the conclusion that you're only town under very specific circumstances)

Also, yes, we had an alliance with both Mastin and Xtoxm on day 3. In that alliance, Mastin told us that Sonic had informed her that he was a self watcher/copier, so when he was visited by someone he knew who it was and got a usage of their power. She didn't press him for the details about how his power worked. This was never mentioned anywhere in the thread, and there's no connection of alliances that could result in this information getting to TW yesterday.

RR, there's another benefit to having Fuzzy visit Sonic. Shouldn't Sonic get his refiller?After all since Sonic hasn't used his gladiate since the season finale, it wouldn't get another shot. Yet now, we would have the refill in the hands of unquestioned town.

There are two separate things being referenced here. 1) The fact that Sonics gladiate WOULDN'T get another shot.

2) The refill ability being gained by Sonic.

So let me get this straight

Maxwell lynch today
Fuzzy + Sonic neighorize tonight
Sonic gladiates any scum suspect but Fuzzy after we decide who he gladiates tomorrow
Fuzzy refills Sonic

, and gives him refilled ability?

Here, again, TW refers to two separate things occurring, Fuzzy refilling sonic, and Fuzzy giving sonic his refilled ability. I combed my history at least to make sure I never informed them of that power, and sonic absolutely never did, so that means TW MUST have access to information town would not have, therefore TW is scum.

Other reasons TW is scum:

A town role cop already flipped, increasing the likelihood that the other role cop is scum. This is especially troubling given the displayed cognitive dissonance between their slots insistence that one of [Mastin/Xtoxm] must be scum given the counterclaim, when they themselves are the counterclaim to a KNOWN town flip.

They were FURIOUS when we had them "waste" their rolecop on xtoxm. Again, as an exercise in building a town bloc, using a role cop on a slot that would either guarantee finding scum, OR cement someone as town, shouldn't have been something they were upset about. However, as scum, it's reasonable for them to be upset at basically learning nothing.

Assuming TW flips as Yellow Diamond, and their role cop functions as they said it did,

In the set [Mastin, xtoxm, sonic](all those who knew his power, and who are not conftown) there must be at least 1 scum

I have spoilered below the reasons why Mastin/Xtoxm are extremely unlikely to be scum, which leads to the conclusion that Sonic is scum.

Spoiler: Why Mastin and Xtoxm are town

1.) We were not able to conftown ourselves until day 5, the day after the season finale night.
2.) Mastin and Xtoxm both were given our identity on day 3. This posed a dilemma for us, because we had planned to keep quiet about who we were and try to have traps set for scum to spring and then suddenly two people knew who we were and we didn't have knowledge at all about them.
3.) This caused a lot of discussion, which only resolved with the flip of a strongman who could only strongman on the season finale.
4.) It doesn't make any sense for scum to be given our identity before we can conftown and be able to kill us before we can conftown when the only way we could have escaped would have been if A.) Tunnel Warriors was alive, B.) We trusted Tunnel Warriors, C.) We were allied to Tunnel Warriors and finally D.) Tunnel Warriors and we decided to use the commute.
5.) If you somehow still think that there's a chance that this entire improbable scenario is at all likely, and one of Xtoxm or Mastin are scum, then consider that we also count as a gem, and therefore Fro99er could have kept us from forming an alliance/fusion. This means that if Xtoxm or Mastin were scum, there would be no way for us to survive beyond sheer dumb luck, and simply put:

Varsoon is neither that bad nor that bastard of a mod.

TL;DR:

TW MUST BE SCUM.

Sonic is *probably* scum, but if TW's rolecop functions differently than expressed before/they aren't a rolecop(i.e. if it's not a public trigger/has no shot limitation), then they may have rolecopped Sonic themselves, reducing the likelihood of Sonicscum.

-Cerb

[Metal Sonic]

You know if your tl;dr says I am scum it makes me doubt validity right.

Anyway I'll read it later, if I am convinced I will gladiate TW. And I need Mastina to say stuff.

[Reasonably Rational]

You know if your tl;dr says I am scum it makes me doubt validity right.

Anyway I'll read it later, if I am convinced I will gladiate TW. And I need Mastina to say stuff.

Well....Just tell me how TW could possibly know about your watcher/copier ability.

-Cerb

[Metal Sonic]

How do you know that they know about my role? Did they slip to you?

[Metal Sonic]

And why are you calling me scum because TW is scum in your opinion?

[Reasonably Rational]

You know if your tl;dr says I am scum it makes me doubt validity right.

Anyway I'll read it later, if I am convinced I will gladiate TW. And I need Mastina to say stuff.

Thanks for admitting up front what the later posts make clear; you didn't even read the post. Just let me get this out of the way first: *points and laughs*.

For future information, "Valid" is a term that refers to the form of a logical argument. A logical construction is said to be "Valid" when the premises being true must necessarily lead to the conclusion being true. "Sound" is the term used to talk about whether those premises are true or not.

How do you know that they know about my role? Did they slip to you?

Maybe if you had read the post, you would see the quotes of TW posting about your ability right here in the main thread, when she said having Fuzzy visit you would give you Fuzzy's refiller ability, in addition to refilling your supposed "gladiate" ability. I particularly enjoyed the part where she crowed about how that would give "confirmed town" usage of Fuzzy's "refill" ability. Nothing you have claimed has actually been demonstrated to be true.

And why are you calling me scum because TW is scum in your opinion?

The only people who knew that you were a passive watcher/ability copier(thief?) were you and the people you allied with. We knew because Mastin told us in our Day 3 chat with her and Xtoxm, so the pool of people who knew about your ability is: {Mastin, Xtoxm, Sonic (you!)} and we've shown logically why Mastin and Xtoxm are nearly certainly town.

There are no alliances or other means by which TW could have the info unless you gave it to them, but you haven't been in an alliance with them, so you would therefore need to be in some other form of communication with them. Ergo, you are likely scum.

QED - TW scum slipped by demonstrating having knowledge that was not possible for them to have unless they are scum, and among the possible candidates to have been scum with them, you are by far the most likely.


Love, even though you're probably scum,
Drixx

[T S O]

What would you say if I told you that we were mod confirmed to be Steven Universe?

[T S O]

But, seriously, you're missing something pretty obvious which explains how we know what we know. Take another look.

[Reasonably Rational]

Reasonably Rational is now confirmed to be

Steven Universe

,

aligned with the

Beach City Residents

.

But, seriously, you're missing something pretty obvious which explains how we know what we know. Take another look.

We spent a lot of time looking already. We noticed this even before the day end yesterday, and vezok just hammered before we had the chance to say anything about it.

So, how about you just share with us the source of your knowledge?
-Cerb

[Xtoxm]

If there's a hole in the logic, being vague and snarky about it isn't in your interests.