Mini 418: Blue Jam. Game over (Mafia win)

[Shanba]

You are going to have to find any majority for shanba somewhere else.

So you think that Shanba is not scum and his role would not balance out the role-heavy town?

ThAdmiral's would balance it out much better, frankly. If my role were a scum one, it would help against only a single power on the town side (yours). If ThAd is scum, his power helps the scum a lot with their night choices.

Also, you're severely over estimating the power of the town. At least one of the roles is positively detrimental, possibly two (depending on what Simenon's all the lizard's go away thing is), several of them are weak and especially if ThAd is scum few of them are actually useful info roles (essentially the cop, as my ability only confirms that I have the ability). Even the power roles we have are dangerous: roleblocker and vigilante can wreak havoc in the wrong hands and the cop getting an innocent on te godfather would cause havoc. I know I'm talking worst case scenarios here, but even so, watcher/tracker/gf does balance out the rest of the town far better than watcher/unnkillable/gf.

Anyway. I note you guys tried to lynch Ecto, which I can't say I'm thrilled about. On the off chance that lynching ThAd (and him turning up scum) today doesn't end the game we can be fairly sure that Ecto is an SK and lynch him tomorrow. It just seems to me that lynching guaranteed non-mafia is a bad play today. Also, his "go town" strikes me as genuine.

If ThAd is not mafia, I'll eat my hat. TCS just seems so unlikely to be mafia, Ecto can't be, Simenon gives me good vibes. Nothing ThAd has said or done has given me any reason to believe he is town.

My 2c.

[Ectomancer]

That makes pretty good sense Shanba. I'll await ThAdmiral's rebuttal.

[ThAdmiral]

All I can say is that you'll be needing a nice sauce to help you swallow that hat of yours.

I don't really care what happens as long as its not an auto-loss for town tomorrow. If you feel the best move is lynching me, then so be it.

[Shanba]

I note you didn't try and refute any of my arguments, though. And yes, I feel lynching you is the best move.

Vote: ThAdmiral

[Simenon]

Please kill admiral.

Also, I'm beginning to think this game is a win for us unless shanba is scum, in which this game is a loss.

[Ectomancer]

vote ThAdmiral

[Simenon]

yay.

will poke the mod on another site.

[Simenon]

Dont' kill anybody ecto.

[Primate]

I had just arrived on holiday. As I unpacked my suitcase in the hotel, I glanced out of the window. A man was climbing over the barrier separating his balcony from the air on the other side. I stopped what I was doing to watch him. He finished climbing over, and threw himself off of his first floor balcony, landing on the floor, his feet going out from under him, and falling onto his shoulder as he landed awkwardly. Pushing himself to his feet, he stood up, not bothering to brush himself off. He proceeded to go back in through the lobby. After a couple of minutes. he emerged back onto the balcony, climbed up, and threw himself over a second time. I stood there for about half an hour, watching him throw himself over the balcony, onto the floor, over and over again. By this time, a crowd had gathered, and people from the rooms next to me had also come out to watch. The nameless man, though, had begun to struggle, and people from the crowd had to help him back up to his balcony. Towards the end, they were carrying him, and throwing him off, as he was just unable to do it by himself.

Someone asked him why he was doing this. Turns out he decided to throw himself off a first floor balcony eighty times instead of a eightieth floor balcony one time in case he changed his mind on the way down. An odd admission of fallibility, really, from the man who apparently knew everything.

ThAdmiral,

The Information Man, Townie Tracker/Miller

, Lynched Day 4

[Primate]

Mah-nu mah-nu da da di-de-du, Mah-nu mah-nu da-da-da-da, Mah-nu mah-nu da dadi-de-du, da-de-du, da-de-du, da-de-du bum-ta-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum.

Day 5 with

four

alive.

yay?

[Simenon]

fucking god

vote no lynch

My theory:
the scum tried to kill ecto, who is kill immunue.

So for anybody in the game, except perhaps the scum, no lynch is a good bet.

Ecto: you have to sk a scum to win. you also have to vig a scum to win. So if you are town or sk, killing the mafia is a win for you tonight.

Of course, I'm advocating you kill TCS tonight, because that's what I have to advocate. I showed you all why I found him scummy yesterday (he attempted to get the serial killer lynched so he couldn't be killed by him last night).

Either that, or Shanba is scum. But there is nothing we can do about that in particular.[/b]

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Two nightkill-immune roles in one game would be broken, Simenon. I don't think there are any scum left. Which means that scum either a) no-killed or b) does not exist.

But I think Simenon may be right. We can't just lynch ecto. If there's scum left, and we lynch ecto today, it's an auto loss. If ecto is an sk, and we lynch scum today, it's an auto-loss. So we have to no-lynch and hope that scum cross-kill. If only one kill goes down tonight, we lynch ecto tomorrow.

Obviously I think Simenon should die, but, as he said, that's what I have to advocate. I know that I'm town. I'm pretty sure that a re-read of this game will give you a pretty decent indicator of my alignment. If there's scum left, it's got to be Simenon. I don't like how he's trying to pass off my plan to kill ecto yesterday as a scum move. But I suppose any honest townie could have posted the same, hence my thinking that there are no scum left.

However, the plan still applies. Ecto will kill simenon or I tonight, and if I'm correct, we will go into the next day, and ecto will be lynched regardless. A round town win, so long as ecto doesn't miss scum in the case there is one remaining.

vote: no-lynch

[The Central Scrutinizer]

EBWOP: The sentences are out of order in the first para. Sorry.

[Shanba]

Alright. It look like we have to no lynch, however Ecto needs to confirm he is ready to go ahead with a no lynch before the day is over + he needs to decide who to shoot.

IMO, I would kill Simenon. [/quote]
OMGUS much? If pushed, I can show compelling evidence as to how I'm not scum.[/quote] This quote from TCS' predecessor seems just so unlikely from a scum frame of mind, especially from someone who was clearly not having a stellar game (the fact that he came under such scrutiny day 1 is testimony to this.) Plus, Simenon scum would give CESc a motive both for killing Bird1111 and lying about what he told him. It's quite possible he didn't realise the evidence he gave would single out Simenon so clearly and the bird kill/lies about what he told bird in thread were an attempt at damage control.

[Simenon]

Plus, Simenon scum would give CESc a motive both for killing Bird1111 and lying about what he told him.

???

It's quite possible he didn't realise the evidence he gave would single out Simenon so clearly and the bird kill/lies about what he told bird in thread were an attempt at damage control.

It's also quite possible that he was trying to mislynch me. It's also quite possible he didn't realize his false information would narrow it down to one suspect and was trying to confuse the town.

How do you explain TCS' actions day four?

[Shanba]

Yes, that is a possibility, but I prefer my theory.

TCS trying to lynch Ecto, you mean? /shrug. Ecto wassn't the play and it reflects badly on TCS, but I just can't see him as scum. It's a scum role that would be beyond odd, and the way he handled it makes me think he's almost certainly town (his predecessor's I can prove I'm town moment, the way he handled the CESc situation). If he's pulled the wool over my eyes I'll feel like a complete idiot, but (no offence) I don't think either him or his predecessor are good enough to be able ot pull off those reactions as scum.

[Simenon]

Yes, that is a possibility, but I prefer my theory.

May I note how quickly you bought into CES' theory?

also, tcs is good. Me knows from me's experience.

[Simenon]

I am going to reread TCS around your accusation.

[Simenon]

bump

mod-prod ecto

[Ectomancer]

Hmm, I wasnt looking for Belgium....

I'll take a look and decide, and whatever I decide I wont tell until its done. Give me a couple days before no lynch because I may have some questions.

[Shanba]

Yes, that is a possibility, but I prefer my theory.

May I note how quickly you bought into CES' theory?

You mean his info? I had no reason not to, plus I reported it.

also, tcs is good. Me knows from me's experience.

I'll take your word for it, I guess. But the point about his predecessor still stands, and that's main one.

[Primate]

You have a week.

12pm gmt, the 31st.

It's retractable, but I likely won't retract it unless it's

really

necessary.

[Shanba]

can we have an ecto prod then? :\

[Ectomancer]

I haven't made up my mind.

[Primate]

Oh by, the way, I'm gonna declare a draw between every faction that can still attain its win condition if there aren't any kills for a 2-day 2-night cycle starting with today. the rule's pretty much stolen verbatim from Phoebus, and it really should have been in since the beginning.