Mini 478- Simenon's Too Much Scum: Game Over

[Simenon]

So guys, when should the deadline be?

[Simenon]

How about the

26th

[SirWario]

Mod,

can we get some prods for Rishi and Fonz?

[Simenon]

Okay.

[JDodge]

Have been sick.

I don't like the way Wario OR The Fonz are acting.

[Rishi]

I really have no idea who the serial killer is. To win, the town has to lynch the serial killer today and the Mafia tomorrow. In that order. I don't like those odds.

It's possible the two scum are SirWario and The Fonz, but which one is which? That's the tough part.

[JDodge]

Rishi....

There's only one scum left.

[Rishi]

Well, one scum and one serial killer. I guess a serial killer is technically not scum?

[Simenon]

VitaminR replaces TheFonz

[Rishi]

Ah. Good. Is the deadline still in effect?

[SirWario]

Hopefully, this will expedite the discussion.

[VitaminR]

I'll reread at some point today.

[Simenon]

Ah. Good. Is the deadline still in effect?

Yes.

[Rishi]

I want to hear from VitaminR on what he thinks. Then, I think we should put together a lynch.

I think that going into the night without a lynch is risky. There's two possibilities after No Lynch... either the SK kills the last Mafia or the SK kills a townie. If the SK kills the last Mafia, then it's actually good for the town, I think. Two townies and the SK, lynch-or-lose, but a typical endgame situation. If the SK hits a townie, it sets up this really bizarre endgame where the town can't possibly win, but still has a vote.

[VitaminR]

I'm thinking it's Rishi and SirWario.

I like JDodge's behaviour on the acfan lynch and I wasn't too bothered by AlSleet. I'm pretty sure he's town.

Both pushed Guardian early on in quite a obviously scummy way. Rishi pushed the xerebz-wagon and I don't buy his excuse for putting on the fourth vote. SirWario's xerebz vote was also quite bad.

Rishi's entirely non-committal attitude towards acfan Day 2 make me think he is acfan's partner.

Posts like this illustrate that:

So, if the hammer is going to drop on ac1983fan, it is up to either me or The Fonz. I haven't decided if ac1983fan is just a really bad player or if he is a scummy player, or both.

But I don't like how he doesn't respond to anything or give any explanation for his votes or actions. I'd rather give him another chance to explain himself before I drop the hammer. I think his lynch can still be prevented, since The Fonz is quasi-lurking in this game anyway.

I'm not comfortable with how he stayed wishy-washy on acfan throughout the day and then put on a fairly sudden hammer.

[Rishi]

Throwing out two names isn't helpful.... we have to lynch the SK and the Mafia in that order. Who do you think is who?

[JDodge]

Well, one scum and one serial killer. I guess a serial killer is technically not scum?

I mean that as in trying to find scumpairs amongst only living players is pointless.

[Rishi]

By the way, as for the wishy-washiness on Day 2, I was somewhat sure ac1983fan was scum, but I wanted to be cautious. After the debacle that was Day 1, I think a little caution was warranted. Besides, I was trying to get information out of acfan. After it was obvious that none of it was coming, I dropped the hammer (also in the interest of the deadline).

Right now, I am leaning towards SirWario as the SK and VitaminR as the Mafia. Is there enough consensus for a SirWario lynch?

[SirWario]

It seems Rishi's suspicion of JDodge has already dissipated. Where's your evidence for Vitamin R scum and me as SK. You seem to be trying to receive an inkling on what the rest of the town desires, just so you can hop on and survive the day.

Vitamin R, your predecessor was just as wishy wash with the acfan lynch. He went quiet as soon as acfan came under fire.

[Rishi]

My suspicion on JDodge has not dissipated, but I don't think he's the SK, so I'll cross that bridge tomorrow if I need to.

I will build my case against you, SirWario. I don't have time at work for longer posts, but expect it to come, hopefully tonight or tomorrow.

[Rishi]

I was expecting to find proof when I did a re-read showing that SirWario was the Serial Killer, but all I have is speculation. The reason I suspect SirWario as the SK is fairly weak.

It's just that anyone who has played with Guardian in the past knows that, while he looks like a good player at first glance, but you realize he's kind of a liability to the town once he gets going, especially towards the end of the game. I know this and I know AlSleet knew this (we were both in a game with Guardian). I am pretty The Fonz has played with Guardian before as well. So I'm not sure why anyone else would have motivation to kill Guardian. Of course, a WIFOM argument kind of kills this idea.

On the re-read, what I noticed is that SirWario did seem to be doing some distancing between himself and ac1983fan, which I think is a lot more scummy than SK-like. Once it was clear that ac1983fan was going to be the lynch, SirWario voted. Yes, my vote came really late, but SirWario's was relatively late. So, now I want to place SirWario in the Mafia slot.

The Fonz was lurking. He did not want to call attention to himself. Though I had never played with him before, that surprised me, and I think, if we check his other games, he is usually more vocal. Perhaps he was changing up his playstyle to avoid being NKed, or perhaps he is the serial killer. A SK would probably want to fly under the radar to win.

As for AlSleet/JDodge, my suspicion has not dissipated, but I am not feeling comfortable enough to put up a vote.

Right now, I am willing to vote for The Fonz/VitaminR and I could be talked into voting for SirWario (if someone can show why he's more likely to be the SK than scum). I don't think, without further proof, I would vote for AlSleet/JDodge.

The reason I want to take a straw poll is that we just simply don't have time to hash everything out. I want to see who is likely to get lynched, so we can speed up the process and get something done by Sunday.

Also, I want to ask the Mafia player not to out himself but to cooperate a little, because he loses too if we mislynch here.

[VitaminR]

Throwing out two names isn't helpful.... we have to lynch the SK and the Mafia in that order. Who do you think is who?

I didn't just throw out two names. I made it quite clear who I think is the SK (SirWario) and why.

Vitamin R, your predecessor was just as wishy wash with the acfan lynch. He went quiet as soon as acfan came under fire.

The Fonz lurked and didn't hammer, yes. He was consistent on acfan, though. He kept calling him the scummiest player in the thread. He never posted the same non-committal stuff. Regardless, from my perspective, that is pretty irrelevant.

Rishi, your reasons for thinking me SK are pretty weak.

1) The Fonz was not lurking on purpose. I mean, he was replaced...

2) The Fonz had little reason to kill Guardian. Guardian pretty much shared his suspicions of you.

3) You actually offer a very good reason for the Guardian-kill if SirWario is the SK.

[Rishi]

Yeah... it's hard. You present a good argument, VitaminR. I think the SK is either you or SirWario. I think that JDodge might be scum, but I would be really surprised if he was the SK. So, JDodge, what do you think?

[JDodge]

I honestly have no clue at the moment.

[Simenon]

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Deadline- Sunday, August 26th