Mini 471: End.

[NabakovNabakov]

^^ I don't think revenge can be counted out as a factor. At the very same time Albert began campaigning for Adel's lynch, Newbie 415 had just ended. Adel's poor play (as a Doc nonetheless) sank the game for the entire town. I believe Albert has said his actions were "based on the newbie game," but I don't think that means he learned a meta-game lesson about Adel's playstyle (if anything, the game indicated that Adel-town can be erratic).

However, when it comes to in-game motives, I think you're generally correct in your evaluation. I don't think he ever actually said he wanted to stop a Sir T lynch, but it definitely shouldn't be ruled out as an ulterior motive. Whether or not the lynch had a factor of meta-revenge just alters if it was a handy excuse for Albert-scum or a horrible motive for Albert-town.

[Erotomachia]

In post 465, he votes me because Haut Boy and I were tied (we were, in fact NOT tied at all. I was leading by 2 votes)

I really didn't like the case against Haut Boy Day 1. It relied entirely on the fact that he unvoted deadscilent. That's why I voted you: I felt you were a better lynch than Haut Boy (and I still do). When I voted, you two were the basically the only realistic choices, and I was far more comfortable with a vote on you. Then, with deadscilent and ABR voting for Adel (and Patrick also leaning toward an Adel vote), it became clear that the choice was between you and Adel. Her play this game was nothing like Mini 455 (in which she was town). I remember Adel (as town) posting a great deal and being pretty serious about the game. Here she essentially threw votes at random and bandwagoned everyone in sight. So I felt an Adel lynch had much more substance behind it than a "Sir Tornado over Haut Boy" lynch.

I don't think deadscilent or Patrick are scummy, but I'll Fos: Erotomachia again.

Mind explaining why? Last time you said it was because I wasn't suspicious of anyone, but you haven't expressed too many suspicions yourself.

Sir Tornado, why do you keep insisting that you would play exactly the same way if you were scum?

[Atticus]

"Day 2 begins"
Vote Count

NabakovNabakov

(1):

Albert B. Rampage

Not voting (9): Blue Zebra, camisade, deadscilent, Erotomachia, Haut Boy, Sir Tornado, Patrick, NabakovNabakov, pickemgenius.

[Sir Tornado]

Sir Tornado, why do you keep insisting that you would play exactly the same way if you were scum?

My day 1 play was on purpose. There was a reason for that, and before the game ends, you might understand it. If no one does, I can perhaps do it in another game if I get the same role.

As regards to day 2... well, there is quite a different reason for that, but this I hope to disclose before the day is over (or perhaps on D3 if I survive)

[Blue Zebra]

Mind explaining why?

From what Sir Tornado said. Especially this:

Post 502, he asks ABR to convince him to vote Adel instead. In 511, he switches vote to Adel for unbelievably feeble reasoning by ABR. It appears to me, that he wanted ABR to give reasons for Adel wagon, not to convince himself, but to just allow him a reason to vote Adel after having called me scummy first.

Sir Tornado, do you think Albert getting Adel lynched was scummy? If so, why?

[Sir Tornado]

BZ: I know I am town, and I think that ABR would not have any incentive to push the Adel wagon when I was going to be voted out, unless he knew Adel had a power role, which don't see how he could know.

I have been in 3 games with ABR (not including this) and in all three of them, ABR has done some crazy stuff (like outing his fellow mason without any reason, claiming a psychopath when he was in fact a doctor and claiming a SK on day 1) or other, so I have given up trying to outguess him.

[Sir Tornado]

PS to the last post:

I will concede that he claimed SK when he was in fact a Jester... but it was still crazy.

[Patrick]

If Sir Tornado is scum, Albert is probably his scumbuddy. If Sir Tornado is town, it wouldn't make sense that scum-Albert would make an effort to get Adel lynched when he could've just let Sir Tornado get lynched.

I agree that if Tornado is town, Albert doesn't stand out as scummy, he could have just sat back and watched him die rather than going to all the trouble of switching the wagon to Adel. Even if Tornado turns out to be scum, I wouldn't rush to crucify Albert. It would be a very bold scum move to try and create a counterwagon so late in the day to save a scumbuddy, with a high chance of failing, then backfiring and getting Albert into trouble as well. Of course, he is a somewhat reckless player from what I've seen.

Sir Tornado is being cryptic in post 553, though his posts today seem townish overall. He's questioning my reasons for laying off him (albeit wrongly calling them WIFOM). I'd say scum would be less likely to do that than town -- scum would probably just move on, happy that I've backed off. His posts today seem genuinely inquisitive.

[pickemgenius]

Hell why the hell did we lynch Adel?

That's is seriously all i've gotten/ and have time to post.


There is shit in her sig for a reason.

I'd love to post more Wifi blows out here.

[Albert B. Rampage]

What shit in her sig ?

[pickemgenius]

What shit in her sig ?

You do roll crazy.- pickemgenius
arrogant bitch - Occult
Quite eloquent, but severely misguided... - LML

stinking people with sigs turned off.

[Atticus]

Sending prods. Because I wanna kick something.

[deadscilent]

Still here... sorry ben busy, family issues...

I read over everything.

-joins bandwagon-

Votes:NabNab

[Albert B. Rampage]

Um, lol. I'm glad and all, but lol.

[Erotomachia]

Where are Haut Boy and camisade?

[NabakovNabakov]

Where's everybody?

[Atticus]

Sending more prods.

[Blue Zebra]

Haut Boy and camisade probably need to be replaced.

[Sir Tornado]

FOS: Deadscilent

I don't like that vote on NabNab at all. Explain.

[NabakovNabakov]

Such is the way of a game with a VI.

However, I'm growing ever more impatient for Albert's case. I expect better from him.

[pickemgenius]

Hi this game along with a few others will need to be reread piece by piece over the next few days, should be full done by weekend, or end of weekend.

[Patrick]

Yeah, I'm also here. Will have to get to this one soon. Just letting you know I haven't vanished.

[Atticus]

Theopor_COD replaces camisade, hurray!

[theopor_COD]

Alright chaps . . . I'm ploughing through this, mind its difficult with England playing the Germans of the park. Give me a day or so for something substantial.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Nab - always keep low expectations of me.