Mini 473: Urban Dead Mafia! Barhah! (Over)

[poppinpuffin]

As for my decision, I was debating whether or not to vote for camisade. I was pleased with Hjallti's response to my criticisms, so I was looking elsewhere. ABR posted a good case against camisade, but I like to hear responses first before I make votes, because sometimes scum slip up or don't defend themselves very well. After camisade's response, well, still not sure. I'm gonna have to do reread and maybe something will stand out. Zodiac then comes out and does something blatantly scummy. There is a possibility that Zodiac is just a townie playing badly, but I need a better explanation from her before I remove my vote.

Agree that Hjallti seems to have reacted well... I'm still more suspicious of Hjallti than of most other players here, but unless something changes my mind, I dont think Hjallti is the play for today.

Zodiac then comes out and does something blatantly scummy. There is a possibility that Zodiac is just a townie playing badly, but I need a better explanation from her before I remove my vote.

Which post or which series of posts are you referring to here?

[camisade]

Picking up prod... it's gotten quiet here. I'd like to know what everyone thinks about Darko's and my relationship.. I expected more after Albert's post on me.

[Claus]

PoppinPuffin, are you back for good?

What did you think of my hjallti Analysis, after sleeping on it? Did it give you a sore shoulder?
What do you think on the ABR-Camisade-Darko trio?

Regarding Zodiac, she only has two posts today. On the first one, she accuses Hjallti after being accused by her, and on the second one, she throws some more mud on Hjallti, and votes her. Just pick the last two Zodiac posts.

[Zodiac]

Zodiac - opinions on the game other than "Hjallti sucks"?

Okay, SirTornado (or whoever replaced him , wasn't it Kira or sumthin'?) i think might be scum. Just a gut feeling.

Got to think of more, but now can't..

[pulsewidth]

poppinpuffin, just read the post where I put my vote on Zodiac. I state the reasons there.

camisade, why are you so eager for people to comment on your situation?

Zodiac, are you even following the game?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Really happy with my vote. Maybe she isn't following the game because she's just waiting for night...

[Zodiac]

Zodiac, are you even following the game?

Yes i am , but i tend to forget some things , because i have another game going on , and now i realized , that what i had said about the replacement
, i thought that someone called Kira or something replaced someone , and now i thought that she replaced SirTornado , while it was actually pulsedwith , who replaced him and... uh , i'm mixing the two games up!

[camisade]

camisade, why are you so eager for people to comment on your situation?

Things have been pretty quiet around her and I thought it would generate more discussion than like 3 posts.

[pulsewidth]

Hmm, something's off here. Zodiac is now giving me more "playing badly" vibes than scumvibes. I'm not so sure that she would bus a scumbuddy so much now. Zodiac, can you explain your vote on Hjallti more clearly? I won't be removing my vote until you do.

In the meantime, I'm gonna do a more thorough re-read. Right now, ABR's case against camisade is looking better, but I want to examine everyone else and see who stands atop my scum list.

[Hjallti]

Claus asked my views on camisade. I will try now, but I don't have the time now to do with all quotes and stuff.

I have pondering on it since I first saw it. My first reaction was that I would certainly not been able to get this all sorted out. I feel Zodiac is scummy in a much obvious way, and his last posts are still giving me scumvibes, because they are to much different from the first.

This case against camisade is clearly stuff of a very experienced player. Second thoughts were that I was very confused but.
After some rereads I get the the points of Albert, at least the once that are from the behaviour of camisade directly. I find it hard to see if the moves of darko can ever tell if camisade is scum or not. I think Albert my be on the right track but it is not as obvious to me that Zodiac, who still didn't respond to my case is acting anti-town, even if it is bad town play, which I do not believe.

[pulsewidth]

camisade, I'm still not liking your explanation for that weird vote on Hjallti early in the game. You said that the reason you voted was to provoke discussion, and then unvoted because it wasn't generating very much discussion AND because Hjallti wasn't responding. But Hjallti posted a couple of days before that he would be on very sparingly over the next 10 days, so why would you expect responses from him? If your goal was to generate discussion, why not put a vote on someone who was being more active?

[Claus]

Zodiac - opinions on the game other than "Hjallti sucks"?

Okay, SirTornado (or whoever replaced him , wasn't it Kira or sumthin'?) i think might be scum. Just a gut feeling.

Got to think of more, but now can't..

Ok. I think I got your line of thought about the game now.

vote: Zodiac

Do you have a gut feeling about me too now?

:-/

[Albert B. Rampage]

Sigh....I am not going to hop on that wagon because I've seen too many townies die like this..I just hate it so much when they don't defend themselves.

[pulsewidth]

unvote: Zodiac

I think it's premature to be putting someone at -1 right now. There are still other players that need to be examined more thoroughly, and I would like an answer to my camisade question.

[pulsewidth]

EBWOP: I've never played this setup before, so do we know how many scum are left? 1 or 2 along with the SK? Because if we mislynch and hit a townie, then that's possibly 3 townies dead, assuming the SK hits another townie. Which would leave us with either 2 townies, 1 zombie and an SK, or 1 townie, two zombies, and an SK which means game over. So, we are basically at lylo here, although not quite? I don't like Claus putting Zodiac at -1 with the potential lylo. Especially when there are still questions out there about camisade, and Claus didn't even wait for poppinpuffin to answer his questions.

FoS: Claus

[poppinpuffin]

PoppinPuffin, are you back for good?

What did you think of my hjallti Analysis, after sleeping on it? Did it give you a sore shoulder?
What do you think on the ABR-Camisade-Darko trio?

Regarding Zodiac, she only has two posts today. On the first one, she accuses Hjallti after being accused by her, and on the second one, she throws some more mud on Hjallti, and votes her. Just pick the last two Zodiac posts.

1. Yes I am back for good. Am moving to college in a few days, so may be a blip coming up, but shouldnt be a problem.

2. I tentatively agree with you about Hjallti...

3. I don't like the way albert is playing, which may be because I have a gut feeling he is scum or because I just don't like his playstyle. I see logic in your "trio" but am reticent to vote albert as of yet. I'm feeling camisade as the play for today, but I think that more should be said both from and about Zodiac before that happens. I agree that it's more sporadic and inattentive play more than scum play, but I would like to see that change, not just acknowledged. I have a feeling that perhaps if Zodiac were scum, she'd be paying more close attention to this game... but that is kind of crap logic. Its just my gut, and wanted to put it out there.

[Claus]

What do you think on the ABR-Camisade-Darko trio?

3. I don't like the way albert is playing, which may be because I have a gut feeling he is scum or because I just don't like his playstyle. I see logic in your "trio" but am reticent to vote albert as of yet.

Errr... I think you misunderstood me, I was not suggesting that ABR-Darko-Camisade are scum together. I was asking what do you think about Albert accusing Camisade of buddying up with Darko.

About Zodiac, I don't think she is a Zed - but we have 2 scum groups, and I DO think she is in the second one. Damn katana wielding PK trenchcoaters!

[Zodiac]

Zodiac, can you explain your vote on Hjallti more clearly? I won't be removing my vote until you do.

That was a counter to her attack.

[Hjallti]

Thus OMGUS. Zodiac, you remain attacked if you counterattack. I am wanting to believe your game is nonattentive rather than scum tell but you certainly playing protown this way. I do not agree with the point that being scum makes more attentive. It depends which part of the game you like most: misleading or hunting.

I think since we have still three factions (opposed groups) in the game, we will not be in Lylo. 1town, 1scum and 1sk going in the night could even turn out 1 town at dawn.

[Zodiac]

Thus OMGUS. Zodiac, you remain attacked if you counterattack. I am wanting to believe your game is nonattentive rather than scum tell but you certainly playing protown this way. I do not agree with the point that being scum makes more attentive. It depends which part of the game you like most: misleading or hunting.

I think since we have still three factions (opposed groups) in the game, we will not be in Lylo. 1town, 1scum and 1sk going in the night could even turn out 1 town at dawn.

The situation could be far better. Has anyone even thought about the possibility of a pro-town vig?

[poppinpuffin]

lol, Claus I think I'm putting my thoughts into your mouth.
My apologies.

Let's see well I shall address this now instead of later then:

I really don't like Albert's accusatory style, because it isn't consistent. He says a whole lot of nothing and then accuses people. I'm sure he's trying to get a rise out of people, but it would be a whole lot easier for me to believe he's on our side if he were more consistently aggressive or more consistently conservative. Not that this really warrants anything more than a mention at this point.

Also.
I really can't say I feel strongly about Camisade being scum. I know several people are very loud in their accusations of darko-cam pairing, I just don't see that much substance behind it. Might be the best we've got to go on for now though. Can I ask who thinks Camisade needs a vote and who thinks Camisade needs to be lynched?

[Claus]

The situation could be far better. Has anyone even thought about the possibility of a pro-town vig?

Why would a pro-town vig random kill someone on N0?

[Hjallti]

If Albert is scum, Zodiac might very well be scum as well (In this direction of the implication), I think: Albert posted when Zodiac was at L-1 and didn't hammer. I know you can WIFOM away this argument, but I think the gain for scum if Zodiac is no scum and Albert is scum from that hammer is much bigger than the WIFOM gain (If Zodiac get killed and is no scum, then Albert seems to be no scum). Any thoughts about this? This of course is only a thought to keep in mind after Zodiac turns out to be no scum.

[Smashy]

An entire day without posts?

Retractable Deadline: Thursday, August 23, 8 PM EST.

See the second post for deadline procedure should it be reached.

Zodiac - 2 - Hjallti, Claus
Hjallti - 1 - Zodiac
camisade - 1 - Albert B. Rampage

Still Swaying: camisade, pulsewidth, poppinpuffin

With 7 Alive, 4 will lynch. Zodiac is at risk of the deadline lynch.

Will check to see who needs prods soon.

[Claus]

I'm here. I think Albert needs to do a better case for camisade, or explain to us why Zodiac is not a good lynch.

Well, not only albert, anyone really :-/