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Post Post #8300 (ISO) » Wed Jul 22, 2015 8:32 pm

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That's better, can we make the Bulletproof one shot? I think if we do that it's good.
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Post Post #8301 (ISO) » Wed Jul 22, 2015 8:40 pm

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Yeah, we can do that
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Post Post #8302 (ISO) » Thu Jul 23, 2015 12:03 am

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Guess and Check


5 Players

2 Mafia Goons

3 Vanilla Townies


  • After day 1 lynch, the lynched player is flipped but stays alive. If a mafia is lynched, they must reveal a town player to be town. All town players must submit their guess for the scumteam.
  • If all townies guess the scumteam correctly, Town wins. Otherwise, Mafia wins.


how balanced is this
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Post Post #8303 (ISO) » Thu Jul 23, 2015 3:42 am

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It's probably more fair if you let the townies win individually if they guess right, and I'd expect it's more balanced if you let scum win if one townie guesses right at most.
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Post Post #8304 (ISO) » Thu Jul 23, 2015 3:43 am

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Vengeful Simplified


1 Godfather
1 Mafioso
3 Vengeful Townies

Scum have a nightkill and lose if the Godfather is lynched or killed at any time. Townies don't stop being vengeful after day 1.

Came up with this trying to port Vengeful Mafia to EM. Town EV is 47%. The only problem is that the game is more likely to be over after day 1 since vengekilling the Mafioso results in a town loss, but that's also interesting in a way.
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Post Post #8305 (ISO) » Thu Jul 23, 2015 5:32 am

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No Kill Mafia

7 VT
2 Mafia Goon

nightless
no night kill (or any kill at all) for mafia
no lynch is not an option
no flip when lynched

game will end automatically when win con is fulfilled


No Kill Mafia (variation)

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2 Mafia Goon

mafia has a faction roleblock ability (available even if only one is alive)

no night kill (or any kill at all) for mafia
no lynch is not an option
no flip when lynched

game will end automatically when win con is fulfilled


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Post Post #8306 (ISO) » Thu Jul 23, 2015 6:11 am

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In post 8302, BBmolla wrote:
Guess and Check


5 Players

2 Mafia Goons

3 Vanilla Townies


  • After day 1 lynch, the lynched player is flipped but stays alive. If a mafia is lynched, they must reveal a town player to be town. All town players must submit their guess for the scumteam.
  • If all townies guess the scumteam correctly, Town wins. Otherwise, Mafia wins.


how balanced is this


If scum is lynched, town has a 1/3 chance of guessing the scumteam correctly.
If town is lynched, town has a 1/4 chance.

Seems to me at least that the latter case is too scum-sided. Maybe make it "if town is lynched, a random mafia on the wagon is revealed to be scum" to bring it back to 1/3? (And don't allow self-votes so it's not a complete town wagon.)
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Post Post #8307 (ISO) » Thu Jul 23, 2015 11:58 am

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In post 8305, YurikoJasmine wrote:
No Kill Mafia

7 VT
2 Mafia Goon

nightless
no night kill (or any kill at all) for mafia
no lynch is not an option
no flip when lynched

game will end automatically when win con is fulfilled



This is townsided via random lynching. Given the no-reveal mechanic, it may well be that town decide to do that rather than try to scumhunt. My guess is also that it wouldn't be much fun to play. (Also, do scum have daytalk? Normally they would in a nightless, but the nature of the setup makes it unclear to me.)
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Post Post #8308 (ISO) » Thu Jul 23, 2015 11:18 pm

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In post 8306, saulres wrote:Seems to me at least that the latter case is too scum-sided. Maybe make it "if town is lynched, a random mafia on the wagon is revealed to be scum" to bring it back to 1/3? (And don't allow self-votes so it's not a complete town wagon.)

Town should be rewarded for actually lynching scum.

What if it's changed to "town wins if 2/3 guess scumteam correctly"?
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Post Post #8309 (ISO) » Thu Jul 23, 2015 11:36 pm

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In post 8303, Bicephalous Bob wrote:I'd expect it's more balanced if you let scum win if one townie guesses right at most.

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Post Post #8310 (ISO) » Fri Jul 24, 2015 12:14 am

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Oh I read one townie guesses it right, which I thought was too easy

Sorry bob lol

What are the odds in that case? 1/2 and 1/3?
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Post Post #8311 (ISO) » Sat Jul 25, 2015 4:09 pm

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In post 8295, Kmd4390 wrote:So is that a no on Paris Mafia version 2.0?


I didn't see anything called Paris Mafia, could you point it out to me please? Unless there is this weird thing where you are talking about my game which I have no idea where that would be coming from.

In post 8296, BBmolla wrote:I think it's legit


Is this in response to the Paris mafia game or mine?

I apologize that I need things obviously pointed out to me.
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Post Post #8312 (ISO) » Sat Jul 25, 2015 4:19 pm

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In post 8311, LicketyQuickety wrote:
In post 8295, Kmd4390 wrote:So is that a no on Paris Mafia version 2.0?


I didn't see anything called Paris Mafia, could you point it out to me please? Unless there is this weird thing where you are talking about my game which I have no idea where that would be coming from.

In post 8296, BBmolla wrote:I think it's legit


Is this in response to the Paris mafia game or mine?

I apologize that I need things obviously pointed out to me.


OK, so I see Paris mafia is not my game which I was pretty sure of already. I have to ask if I have to join a group or something for people to give me feedback on my setups. If I do, what group do I have to join?
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Post Post #8313 (ISO) » Sat Jul 25, 2015 9:49 pm

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I can't speak for everybody else, but I didn't give any feedback because I'm not the biggest fan of the setup idea. It's triplicate mafia with an extra mislynch, some PRs, no room joints and a tougher town win condition.
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Post Post #8314 (ISO) » Sun Jul 26, 2015 2:02 am

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In post 8213, LicketyQuickety wrote:3 scum
6 town
Nightless
Votes are designated to 3 groups as a single lynch for each day
Players are grouped together in groups of 2 town 1 mafia
Players can only vote for people in their group
Each day a single group is picked to vote
Town wins when both town voters agree
Mafia win when they survive 3 days
No Lynch is possible


Then no one would believe I was going off of the setup that I liked from Not_Mafia and had no idea what triplicate mafia was until I looked it up. Makes sense why everyone loved the idea. :/

In post 8313, Bicephalous Bob wrote:I can't speak for everybody else, but I didn't give any feedback because I'm not the biggest fan of the setup idea. It's triplicate mafia with an extra mislynch, some PRs, no room joints and a tougher town win condition.


I have to be honest about a couple of things. I have no idea what you mean by "no room joints." I also don't see how its harder for town to win in my rendition of a beefed up triplicate mafia game. Town gains enormous momentum as soon as they lynch scum. I added that the other groups can vote because I got advice from someone on another forum that once the group lynches scum they will get bored because they can't vote. I didn't think that playing as an IC that can't die would be boring, but that's the only person who was willing to give advice about the game and that person clearly knows what they are doing so I pretty much had to listen to them. After I told them how I would let people vote that weren't in the group after talking it over with someone from another forum I went back to the first guy told my idea and they thought it would work.
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Post Post #8315 (ISO) » Sun Jul 26, 2015 7:07 am

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In post 8299, MarioManiac4 wrote:How about this:
4 VTs
1 Town Bulletproof
2 1-Shot Dayvigs
1 Mafia Goon
1 Mafia 1-Shot Dayvig


Does mafia have a NK? Are dayvigs required to kill in-thread or via PM?
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Post Post #8316 (ISO) » Mon Jul 27, 2015 2:11 am

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In post 8315, IceGuy wrote:
In post 8299, MarioManiac4 wrote:How about this:
4 VTs
1 Town Bulletproof
2 1-Shot Dayvigs
1 Mafia Goon
1 Mafia 1-Shot Dayvig


Does mafia have a NK? Are dayvigs required to kill in-thread or via PM?


Dayvigs kill in-thread and Mafia have a NK.
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Post Post #8317 (ISO) » Thu Jul 30, 2015 3:06 pm

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Druid Mafia (11 players)
2 Mafia Goons
3 Druids (α, β, γ)
1 Town Cop (gets results "mafia"/"not mafia")
5 Vanilla Town

each druid wins if alive when the other druids and mafia are dead. every night, each compulsively sends the mod the name of a player it isn't, and the druids are informed of all of the choices on commencement of the day. they cannot select the same player twice for this purpose.

if all the mafia die and more than one druid is alive, a druid (alpha if still alive, beta if not) will become armed and take on a nightly kill. at that point they will have to be the last player standing (or left with one townie) to win.

the town wins if the mafia die and there is no armed druid alive. if there is an unarmed druid still alive at the end of the game, they share the win with the town.


thoughts on this? balanced? enjoyable for town?
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Post Post #8318 (ISO) » Thu Jul 30, 2015 3:22 pm

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In post 8317, mallpal wrote:
Druid Mafia (11 players)
2 Mafia Goons
3 Druids (α, β, γ)
1 Town Cop (gets results "mafia"/"not mafia")
5 Vanilla Town

each druid wins if alive when the other druids and mafia are dead. every night, each compulsively sends the mod the name of a player it isn't, and the druids are informed of all of the choices on commencement of the day. they cannot select the same player twice for this purpose.

if all the mafia die and more than one druid is alive, a druid (alpha if still alive, beta if not) will become armed and take on a nightly kill. at that point they will have to be the last player standing (or left with one townie) to win.

the town wins if the mafia die and there is no armed druid alive. if there is an unarmed druid still alive at the end of the game, they share the win with the town.


thoughts on this? balanced? enjoyable for town?


It looks like there are too many druids in the game. I'd also make it random which druid takes on the NK and not until the mafia are dead.

I have another game.

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4 VT
1 Jester
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1 Town with 1 Mafia Goon who are lovers
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Post Post #8319 (ISO) » Fri Jul 31, 2015 3:43 am

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Once the Mafia are dead and multiple Druids survive, is it even possible for Town to win? As soon as they lynch all but one of the Druids, the remaining one automatically wins. (Or does lynching the armed druid mean that town share a win with the other druid?)

I fear that this game has the "scumteam of one" problem that makes scumhunting very hard because there are no associative tells. It might be fun for the druids (although they have an uphill battle), but it doesn't seem fun for town.
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Post Post #8320 (ISO) » Fri Jul 31, 2015 2:45 pm

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Mafia vs town
6 mafia goon s
1 Mafia Cop
1 Vanilla Mason
1 Psychotic Townie that kills every night.
Reverse mafia.
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Post Post #8321 (ISO) » Fri Jul 31, 2015 2:57 pm

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Druids would have the same associative tells as reverse lynchers, I think, since they don't want to lynch the half-confirmed people. A spin-off:

1 mage
3 druids
7 townies

You're a townie. You win when the druids and the mage are dead or gone.

You're a druid. You win and leave the game when the two other druids are dead. You're immune to nightkills. Every night and during pre-game, you have to send in a name of another player, and you receive an anonymous, randomly ordered list of the druids' choices, including your own. You can't send in the same name twice. If you're lynched, all lists you received are made public.

You're a mage. You win when at least 50% of the living players isn't aligned to the town, even if you're dead by then. Every night and during pre-game, you receive a list of the druids' choices. Your lists will be in the form of "Druid A targeted TheIrishPope. Druid B targeted Bob. Druid C targeted Coen," where Druid A, B and C are the same people every night. You have a nightkill which fails on druids.
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Post Post #8322 (ISO) » Fri Jul 31, 2015 3:03 pm

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2 WW
1 Vanilla Townie Immune from wolf kills.
2 Neighbors cleared to each other as town. Have PT
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Post Post #8323 (ISO) » Fri Jul 31, 2015 3:05 pm

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Also the wolfman role pm is vt.
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Post Post #8324 (ISO) » Fri Jul 31, 2015 3:06 pm

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And the immune vt does not know about ability.

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