Mini 1694 -- Zodiac Mafia II (Game Over)

[Nachomamma8]

this seems to contradict the "genuine tone" you say he/she has. it's possible to have a genuine tone and then all of the above (unnatural confidence, reasons that make no sense)?

Sure, why not?
Confidence in general seems genuine; it seems like conviction and belief in what you're pushing.
It seems strange to have that confidence and conviction for every vote you make; generally people move from being super confident about things to super confident to not that confident again.

So, the confidence sounds genuine, but logically doesn't seem realistic.

[Nachomamma8]

That's how much kayp post rang town for me.

What KayP post? The replace out one?
Because if that's what you're referring to, then .

[Nachomamma8]

Lol made yourself viable? You voted yourself for a total of 2 minutes.

Stop trying to give yourself credit where credit is not due. You weren't even close to being a martyr

I thought the votes were different.
I think most people did; if we knew no one was anywhere close to a lynch, I'm sure there wouldn't have been the panic and urgency that there was at deadline.

[Nachomamma8]

And btw I think most of what Ricastle is laying down males complete sense right now

Like what specifically?
The theory that Mainez is likely my partner that I was protecting with my self-vote that you're arguing meant absolutely nothing?

[Nachomamma8]

Look I can see why Nacho pulling back from Maine if they are scum together actually makes sense, even if Nacho dismisses it (Although I haven't looked at exactly where he pulled back his vote - he did pull his vote back though at a dubious time a few hours (or maybe an hour) from deadline, that's for sure).

The argument that I was protecting Mainez my scum partner by self-voting doesn't make sense for a countless number of reasons.
There has been no argument or reason or logic that so much as implies that argument makes the slightest amount of sense.
And yet people keep agreeing with it.
Maybe I'm crazy?

[Nachomamma8]

Why does the former necessitate confidence?

When I say you act like each vote is the best you've ever made, I mean in the history of every game you've ever played, not just the best possible vote you can make. If you can't understand why that implies confidence, then I guess I can explain it but? Do you really think you haven't been confident in any serious vote that you've made this game?

I mean, of course I'm going to treat my most recent vote as the best I've ever made. That's why my vote is there; because I think it's the best place for it to be! That's the same for everyone, surely.

And every moment of the game, you've had a place for your vote to be where you were very very sure that the person was scum. What happened to your Metal Sonic read? Or your lane read?

[Ricastle]

Oh, they're in the scumpool, but I'm not pushing them right now; I'm pushing you.

[lane0168]

Look I can see why Nacho pulling back from Maine if they are scum together actually makes sense, even if Nacho dismisses it (Although I haven't looked at exactly where he pulled back his vote - he did pull his vote back though at a dubious time a few hours (or maybe an hour) from deadline, that's for sure).

And btw I think most of what Ricastle is laying down males complete sense right now

including this too? ----

VOTE: Nachomamma8

The end of that day was awful.

Meh

VOTE: Nacho

If Nacho flips town we are going there^ immediately tomorrow

I'm not sure where this came from, and I said most of what he's saying. As in the stuff that's explained and has explanation. Hard to agree on something about myself like that wouldn't you think?

[massive]

No heart.

Well this is the first time I've encountered the "Cowardly Lion" scumread.

And btw I think most of what Ricastle is laying down males complete sense right now

How does this integrate with your opinion of him from D1?

[elusive]

Ricastle is scum. ANyone able to look at his other game on this site can tell the difference.Hell I played with him in Apocalypse and thought he was scum there but here he is going above and beyond to be dense, insipid and tunnel with really bad reasons.

Like he hasn't fucking explained his inability to read the game and confusion over attributing a totally different players shitty actions (lane) on me. THen when I confronted his awfulness he DIDNT say or LANE IS A SCUMMY FUCK FOR THE THING I WAS ACCUSING YOU OF BEING A SCUMMY FUCK FOR. Instead he meanders on his shit reads.

Nacho, you better not be scum bro.

Town needs to lynch Ricastle, like asap or start you've seen my reformed antihero side, my scary side is something else altogether.

[elusive]

VOTE: Ricastle

I will cut you.

[Ricastle]

Like he hasn't fucking explained his inability to read the game and confusion over attributing a totally different players shitty actions (lane) on me. THen when I confronted his awfulness he DIDNT say or LANE IS A SCUMMY FUCK FOR THE THING I WAS ACCUSING YOU OF BEING A SCUMMY FUCK FOR. Instead he meanders on his shit reads.

What point was this? And I don't recall ever being asked to explain anything by you, so.

VOTE: Ricastle

I will cut you.

Hell no! If I'm to be executed, I want the firing squad, not some shitty-ass guillotine.

[elusive]

OMG, like seriously? I have asked you to explain your scum reads. Like, no Ricastle.

[startfromtheheart]

Scary side pl0x

[elusive]

No, I will get modkilled or banned or do you not know my notorious history?

[elusive]

start, what are your scum reads other then nacho?

[elusive]

I feel like nacho was more fun as scum, here he's kind of boring and lacks charmingness.

[Mainez]

on V/LA till friday

(back about 48-60 hours from now)

will try to check in if possible

[Ricastle]

OMG, like seriously? I have asked you to explain your scum reads. Like, no Ricastle.

I have explained them all...and I ask again: What thing that I made out to be scummy did I attribute to you instead of lane which you called me out on?

[elusive]

Ricastle is scum. I will die for this lynch.

Ric, your "give up" attitude is bizarre and I've never seen it in your town games so idk but its quite heartbreaking and you going to get slayed for it which if you're town (like in the words of Buzz Lightyear)

Eh, at the end of the day, there really is nothing I can say in my defence in regards to the accusations toward me. I have not played well, there's do doubt about that, and if I'm to be lynched for it, then I won't put up a fight.

Ricastle giving up like this? We spent pages in Acopalypse in a town vs. town brawl.

Nobody

needs

to explain anything to you.

Well ultimately, it'll be bad for the other town more than me if I'm blindly lynched...scum will be having a house party while town will be flailing around looking stupid.

I reread ric and saw he didn't really explain his vote. When he got a response it caught my attention he didn't unvote.
The vote he did place on elusive was very awkward,
Instead of scum hunting afterwards, metal calls him out and he basically omgus votes metal for doing so.

I have not been very engaged in this game, no doubt about that.

I can't even remember why I voted elusive now...you should read my case on MS though, because it's definitely more than OMGUS.

I am going to make a bet now that Ricastle has no clue why he's voting anyone because he's pretending to be busy in this game by voting people but, unlike all his town games, he has no reasons why and is making up shit. You know Ric as town you can be pretty off the wall but this is a new low for you, scummy boi.

Yeah, you know what. I'm fine with this. I'm not remotely invested in this game and can't see myself contributing meaningfully in the near future.

Sorry for my bad play, guys, really. MS and lane are the most likely scum on my wagon. See you in the next life...

Town Ricastle is a maniac, he will fight like a mad dog. This is not town Ric.

Now let's look at Ric's one scum game on here (http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p6959258). His tone is more cooperative (with bursts of fake anger) and he's trying to be congenial. He also is more jokey and continues to be as scum in this game.

OH and scumreads from Ricastle so far: elusive, metal sonic (who he tunnels for a good long while and then drops at the drop of a...nothing), lane, mainez, nacho, and then back to elusive.

Of course he's asking some people on his scum reads lists to help him vote people he refers to as scum. So Ric what's your read on Metal, Mainez, Lane, me, Nacho right now? Is 5 a bit of a high number of scum?

He votes me for voting Aronis is what it feels like. His interactions with Farside are a little weird too, its like he's afraid of her or something.

Suddnely Mainez, who I tried to lynch at game end yesterday is now my scum partner for defending me and so is nacho. So he's attacking people who may try to townread me. Why?

Then AGAIN he states that if Nacho flips town (which why are you voting him then if you have doubts) we should lynch Lane. Where's the vote on Lane or the case? Or anything connecting these apparently 5 scum reads that Ricastle keeps ricocheting off?

#1175 by Ric is a lie.

[elusive]

Yeah, that's what ELUSIVE is doing...and then you go on to defend elusive. Lol.

Okay, ignore this. I swear this happened but apparently not.

OMG, Ricastle. Look you misread the game? Wowza.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

Look, we can discuss a ricastle lynch tommorow. Right now it looks like everytime nacho, the obv scum is about to be lynched, the usual suspects come in and redirect attention like hell.

[Nachomamma8]

Oh, they're in the scumpool, but I'm not pushing them right now; I'm pushing you.

So your reads have not changed at all throughout the entire game?

[Nachomamma8]

And you're just comfortable having 5 scumreads in a two scum game?

[St Constantine the Hermit]

All of you have my personal guarantee that I will push Ricastles lynch were Nachomama to flip town.

I swear I'll have to enslave every last one of you Mofo's if you let a counter wagon form on Ricastle while obv. scum lives another day