Mini 458 - Game over!

[NabakovNabakov]

I think it will be cool to have MoS replace back in (he obviously volunteered for the spot readily, so he must think it would be cool too), but I don't like the idea of treating it like we're reviving him. He may well have a new allignment, and I don't want that to get lost in the shuffle.

(Also, I only replaced in with 10 pages to read)

[ThAdmiral]

You were scummy because you pushed for his lynch without voting him, not just because you didn't vote him.

When people push a lynch and don't vote, its usually so they can say they never really lynchd them and can't be blamed for their death. However, I'm not saying I didn't want him lynched, I agreed with everyone else that he was the best choice of a lynch, but didn't see a point in voting him if he was at L-1

This seems reasonable.

*****

I'm having another look at the ckd wagon earlier on day 1 as it is the only wagon, other than the final one, on a confirmed townie that got to -1 (there were also a few pushes on mos but I don't think they ever got over about 3).

Voting for ckd before his defence: Num7, Adel, Crub, NabNab, Kate, Dylan. Pickem I believe was waiting for ckd's defence before deciding whether or not to drop the hammer.

After defence: - Crub says that CKD is wrong because he is town.
- NabNab points out a few flaws and leaps in logic.
- Adel says she could "pick ckd's case apart".
- MoS says defence is good.
- Adel says she is worried a power role will be outed.
- Crub jumps off.
- Num7 points out a few flaws in ckd's post.
- NabNab jumps off.
- Num7 does a reread and starts to focus on other people.
- Pickem also agrees that ckd has defended himself adequately.
- Adel still seems to think CKD is scummy, but then scrutinizes pickem, and ends up jumping off ckd "until this gets sorted out".
- Dylan wagon starts.
(please note that kate and dylan didn't say anything in this period).

People that come out looking good:
Crub - jumped off fairly quickly.
NabNab - came around to think that ckd was pro-town after his defence.
Pickem - didn't drop the hammer when he had the chance, basically.

People that come out looking bad:
Adel - that comment of being able to pick ckd's case apart, the lament that a power role may be unearthed (as in: "we should just pick a person and stick with them!), swinging suspicion onto someone else (pickem).
Kate - said nothing (perhaps hoping someone else would just come on a drop the hammer).
Num7 - attempts to keep up pressure on ckd, and when this fails moves on to other targets (pickem + thadmiral).
dylan - jumped on the wagon late, and then didn't say anything until pressure was put on him later.

[NabakovNabakov]

I believe MoS went all the way to -1 before I unvoted him, but I don't know if that was ever noted by a VC, it all happened pretty quickly. I think that would be a good wagon to look at too.

When you say "Came out looking good/bad" do you mean at that time, or in retrospect?

[Tarhalindur]

After reading people's actions re: ckd yesterday, something really, really jumped out at me:

I have no idea who to vote for, but Tar is not the lynch for today and that was an OMGUS vote, so

Unvote

I won't be able to post again today, but out of the three, I'd say curious is probably the scummiest. Everyone's said this already but when he's under pressure, he acts pretty scummy.

This post sets off all sorts of red flags for me, with two reasons:

1) It reeks of scum trying to push along a mislynch while staying off of the lynching wagon.
2) It's very, very similar to Kate's actions as scum re: hestret in Newb 399:

Well he needs to post, that's extremely scummy.

FoS:hestret

...i guess FoS's are good after all...

I don't know about hestret, he really should be posting more. He looks scummy, but maybe that's because we don't have many posts to go off of. His "i want to assure you i'm no scum" post looked weird, and asking for a vote count can look scummy. In my opinion, I didn't think it was weird that he asked for a votecount, but u thought it was odd that he didn't talk about anything else going on. Overall, i think hestret is more likely to be scum, but i'm just not sure yet.

Unvote, Vote: Kate

I'll try to put together a PBPA on Kate in the near future. (Success is not guaranteed...)

[Kate]

As I told you, I PLAY THE SAME! Whether I'm scum, or whether I'm town, I play the same. I already explained my actions too.

[dylan41985]

Recently, I don't think Kate has done many scummy things.

[NabakovNabakov]

Has anyone noticed that Dylan refers/responds to Kate far more often than other players? This post in particular struck me:

yeah what is up with me, Kate? I'm not your prey.

I don't think it's anything substantial, but I feel it should be noted.

[ThAdmiral]

When you say "Came out looking good/bad" do you mean at that time, or in retrospect?

In retrospect.
I'll check out the mos one as well. Thanks for the tip.

[Adel]

I was reading back through the earlier bandwagon on ckd, and I think I should point out that I said that I could pick apart ckd's case, but I choose not to because I no longer thought he was scum. Then a little later, after the ckd wagon had collapsed, people (I don't remember whom) started challenging me to pick apart his case, and I think I said I would, and then I never got around to it. Do you think it would be worth looking back to figure out who was pressuring me to pick apart ckd's case? Do you think it would be a scumtell? I'm not sure.

I'm not very eager to do very much until MoS or someone else replaces msg. All of us should be in the middle of our re-reads, and at least for me msg is still a blank. I would like more information on that player, and I would like to interview MoS.

[Per]

I have come to a decision.

Molestargazer will be replaced, but not by Mastermind of Sin.

This decision is final. MoS might replace into this game later on, but now is too soon.

I am now trying to fulfill the impossible quest of finding a replacement for a 47-page-long game.

Vote count will come soon, I have had very limited time due to a temporary job I'm doing in real life, I must admit that I have a few pages to catch up with.

[Numenorean7]

Would a replacement have to read the whole thread? It seems to me the last 20 pages or so would be sufficient.

[Adel]

Would a replacement have to read the whole thread? It seems to me the last 20 pages or so would be sufficient.

WTF! Red Flag!

[ThAdmiral]

Would a replacement have to read the whole thread? It seems to me the last 20 pages or so would be sufficient.

Yes, it is a bit odd that you would say this.

[Adel]

What isn't in those 20 pages that is in the rest of the game? Or should the question be phrased the other way around?

[Crub]

Maybe 3 hours less reading for a prospective replacement?

[Crub]

EBWOP: Not saying I agree just offering a reason

[Per]

Albert B. Rampage seems to be volunteering to take the job (I say seems because his wording was a bit odd). He was the first candidate to replace Tromboner back in the early stages of the game so he knows his role, but eventually Albert couldn't replace because he was at his limit of 4 Mini games. It's okay though, he was then replaced by CKD who obviously is rather dead.

Just saying this in case Albert's name rings a bell but you can't really tell why.

[Per]

Albert B. Rampage replaces molestargazer.

He had asked me to post the date and hour of his PM offering to replace MSG. I have no problem doing that, so: the date was 16/08/2007, 2:04:38 (am) Central-European Time, that is GMT+2.

Vote Count

Albert B. Rampage

: 1 (Numenorean7)
ThAdmiral: 1 (dylan41985)
Kate: 1 (Tarhalindur)

Not voting: 7 (

Albert B. Rampage

, Kate, Crub, pickemgenius, ThAdmiral, Adel, NabakovNabakov)

With 10 alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Hey guys. Re-reading here.

[Kate]

Welcome to the game!

[Per]

I have noticed something else too. Molestargazer's reply to his prod asked to replace him, not to not replace him. Christ, how could I make such a reading error?

[Numenorean7]

Would a replacement have to read the whole thread? It seems to me the last 20 pages or so would be sufficient.

WTF! Red Flag!

I was just trying to make it easier for the replacement, since Per was saying how hard getting a replacement for this 47-page game would be. I'm currently doing a re-read of living players' posts, so I know just how much verbiage is out there to sift through. It does seem a lot to ask of a replacement. But since ABR seems so ready and willing....

I have noticed something else too. Molestargazer's reply to his prod asked to replace him, not to not replace him. Christ, how could I make such a reading error?

Unvote: ABR
Vote: Per

[Albert B. Rampage]

Just a thought...I am sooo annoyed that Pickem isn't going to be back until next week.

[Albert B. Rampage]

This is my list after a first quick re-read:

Pro-town:

ThAdmiral
Nab

Leaning pro-town:

Kate

Scum:

Adel
Pickem

I'm going to use this as a point in which to refer to when I am going to analyze in depth, but it could be cool if you guys posted your general thoughts and feelings.

[Adel]

ABR- are you out to lynch me in

every

game we are in together?