Snix wrote:Because there is no reason for it really, if someone asks you about it then yes but otherwise you don't have to. And I really could care less if in each game you've ever played you posted the entire wiki in the game, I still wouldn't trust you because that was that and this is this game. Different games, different roles maybe.
No. Every newbie game for the past... well very many games. Scum and Town.
First of all, it's a null tell at most.
Second of all, it's my
Job and duty
to teach in this game.
THird of all, it's funner when people know what they're doing.
Snix wrote:Yes, like torturing people. It gets them to talk, and mildly violates them. And maybe it's good for the greater good of say the 'town' but not for the person being grilled. Maybe your attacks would seem more founded if you gave real reasons, i think the only one you gave that didn't stem off of your own attacks was the fact that instead of voting for Peter he just threatened him, i guess. Which yes seems evil, but he was going off the fact that if he were wrong and some newb Maifa speed lynched we'd be in a pickle. (mmm pickle)
So you disagree? Also, if some new mafia had speed lynched, we would not be in a pickle. We'd have one dead scum, because speedlynching is a 0 tolerance policy. You lynch the people who speedlynch/hammer, so therefore scum will not do it.
Snix wrote:And you didn't answer that either..
Reading ftw. I already directed you towards the post.
Chromag wrote:Maybe I'm missing your point IH... so apologies if I'm misunderstanding the direction you're going.
My vote on LML was a purely random, first page vote. I held onto the vote with LML due to a later comment he made... but it was more of a pressure vote. Nothing substantiated.
Excuse me, I seem to have confused you for someone else. I thought you had voted LML for wanting someone at lynch minus 1, and then unvoted and FoSed white.
Clearly I was wrong.
White wrote:Well, i've seen both sides, I've seen the Mafia be very agressive and confrontational. To say if you're agressive you're not mafia seems, wrong to me. Perhaps I misunderstand, do you mean to say that if you're agressive, you're not mafia?
No, you're misunderstanding.
Being agressive is a "null tell", or a tell that doesn't indicate anything. Town are agressive. Scum are agressive. So attacking LML for being Agressive is a bad case.
White wrote:It certainly looked like a dismissal to me. If nothing more it was atleast an attempt to discredit the possibility of both IC's being scum.
White it means nothing unless the IC's become confirmed. That is the point for which it should be noted.
White wrote:I dealt with this already in post 40. Do you have any new stuff? You also said it was worthy of slightly more than a random vote. Do you still think this or no or what?
For the moment. I haven't seen anything overly scummy at the moment myself.
White wrote:Ok, first off i'm not tooooo sure I understand this so correct me if i'm wrong. Are you saying his indignation is irrational? Because it's not, he feels his arguments are flawless and when someone confronts them he takes it as a personal affront to his ability to think logically. It did make me think "wth" because it's very loud and bombastic (imo) and can be quote overwhelming to try and deal with. I have no idea who Cognito Ergo Sum and The fritzler are.....
Ok.
1.If LML really thinks that he's a worse mafia player than I thought, but I seriously doubt he thinks his arguments are flawless on page 2. This is a personal judgement that you have assessed of him.
2.CES and Fritzler are players known for being extremely agressive. By extremely agressive I mean, they will generally join the largest wagon, and then tell everyone to vote said person.
White wrote:-017- Makes a nonrandom vote half way through page 1. Seems absurd as though he knows first off who is scum and who isn't and isn't afraid to lynch those he knows aren't scum. He also makes a plea for authority with his reasoning but doesn't explain which I think he should have done if he were trying to help the town because then the town can agree but the town consists mainly of newbs who don't know the lingo.
How is a nonrandom vote on page 1 scummy (other than supposed to much info)? There are plenty of people who will try to just get the game started by sparking something.
Your second sentence confuses me... do you mean he made an appeal to authority, and he shouldn't have done that? He should have explained.... something if he wanted to help the town, because the town doesn't know what they're agreeing too?
What is that something?
White wrote:-028- He first off insults my intelligence and prides himself. When in reality everyone should be cautious of everyone at all times, not just in select situations. That and we should also be more cautious of people that know what they're doing such as a self proclaimed "Smooth Operator". He says I don't want the town to believe what he says but that's because of my flawed playstyle which i'm trying to correct. But again is a "i'm a fellow townie and i'm going to find you out" statement. Finally with his 4th line be makes a 3rd "i'm a townie" statement. Seems very overdone to me.
Pretty much the cautiousness statement was a joke I believe. It was closer to bragging.
"If you're scum you need to be cautious of me, cause I'm gonna catch you"
He also said, in a roundabout way, that you're just refusing to listen to him.
White wrote:-032- Insults me as a person rather than refutes my argument. Not trying to find scum but rather attacking me as a person, you accuse me of looking scummy when I do it, I think he looks scummy when he does it. Then says he's got many reasons to vote me but doesn't list more than one which happens to be an attack on me as a person rather than my arguments. So imo, he lies.
Errr, I don't see how he insulted you as a person in this post. I don't understand.
He voted you for voting as an OMgus vote, he also said there were a bunch of reasons to vote for you, which he had documented in that post. I don't see how he's voted you for being cautious, as you claimed....
White I think you're blowing things out of proportion in your head, or else you just don't understand how to read this type of post.
White wrote:Just because I don't understand him that well doesn't mean he doesn't understand me (which it seems he thinks he does). He can learn plenty from other people and to say otherwise is just BS.
Not in the context you mean. You mean that he can learn something like "cautiousness" (which isn't that great of a trait. It's scummy. Being cautious is being indecisive, which lets you play both sides of the fence, and defensive, which indicates you have something to hide)
But if you misunderstand him, then you're not going to teach him anything like you think you are. He could hypothetically learn something, but I'm unsure if he will from posts like these. (no offense)
White wrote:No, i'm talking discredit him as a person and refute his arguments.
You do not discredit someone as a person ever. That is a logical fallacy (as I stated)
White wrote:No no no, that would be openly unkind. I said it had an unkind overtone which means there isn't any exact evidence that can be pointed out and said, "Look HERE and you can see that he called me an moron, therefore he was unkind". But rather that the whole post overall came off with an (intended or not) zing at me. But I think i'll let this one drop as i've been known to be hypersensitive to this sort of thing. Besides, it's not something anyone can use as evidence to one side or the other.
Yeah I think you just have a horrible sense of tone, or are over offensive.
LML wrote:IH, I have noticed one other thing, why are you defending LML? I think he's a very capable person of defending himself, he may even enjoy it.
Because if you continue to look at the game kind of like you have, I fear you will take things out of context. Sometimes you have to look for subtle things in the posts, but you just seem to look at the overtones, and then make conclusions from that.
You don't have to answer any of this White, btw, other than what that "something" was.
We need an LML post I think, before I respond to anything else I see.