NY 186: Mafia In Japan - Mafia Victory!

[Espeonage]

@Nero, if that's your only reason for Quar being town then does it not follow that all other cases Quar is scum. So therefore me being town would equal Quar being scum as well. Because that seems pretty off.

[Nero Cain]

you being town=//=quar scum.

I mean sure, he sat there early game and misrepped my position that I was going after Celt and Ika 'cause I didn't like them and now has some bullshit about how Radja is scum reading everyone that I wanted to policy lynch. I wouldn't say his play is pro-town or good but thats pretty much 97% of this site.

And then there's Woody, who is STILL fussing about my first post and can't comprehend that the game state has moved forward but if you think Quar is scummy for fussing about my pl on Ika, why is Woody not scummy for the same thing?

He's making up a bunch of bullshit

What am I making up?

[ConManMick]

@mod, can we get a VC?

[Quaroath]

sigh, and this is the point of the game i get ignored and quit caring

Pretty sure you get ignored for just posting lynch nero over and over.

Unless you think it's a once scum game, get your ass in gear and maybe just maybe people will listen to you.

[Quaroath]

VOTE: KlingonCelt
Obey the Cain.
Actually, she seems reluctant to discuss nearly (might be an understatement) anything game-related, such as her own vote or NC's case on her, as he has pointed it out before.

@PM:

hey there! Could you, please do me a favour, & post at least twice a day? Those posts don't have to be particularly insightful, just have them have content. Thank you.

Why just PM getting the callout here?

I wanted (& still want) him to get more involved. Well, no, "involved" isn't a good word, I just want him to express his thoughts about the game. I believe it'd be advantageous for us.

A lot of people could fall into this. I found it interesting you singled pm out.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

Look M8teas... I like being ignored as much as the next guy, but it is time for you all to take the hint.

Like Kaboose said, stalling a D1 wagon with momentum is totally anti-fun. The actual likelihood of catching scum on D1 is pretty low anyways, and I don't get the feeling that Nerocain was actually a counter wagon, but that doesn't change the fact that we're going to probably hit town.

Now I'll tell two futures, one truthful and the other a lie. In one future, both Klingon and Nero are town, and in the other, scum are not voting for either one and are completely off both wagons. Wait, those aren't mutually exclusive? Well that's it then, scum are by my account not voting for either Celt or Nero. Anyhow, just consolidate a vote and shift this over to D2, I am sick of blabbering to myself.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

Contrary to the beliefs of Quaroath and , being off a major bandwagon by page 30 on D1 IS anti-town.

[Nero Cain]

Hermit, why are you so convinced that Celt will flip town? Is it just "oh d1!" or do you actually think her actions are protown? Or are you buying into "she's a toxic Vi"?

[St Constantine the Hermit]

Well Cain, I would be pleased to tell you. The reason for me being so convinced Celt will flip town is borne out of the fact that I don't buy into the arguments of him being scum (and a 1/19 probability). Didn't see nothing inherently VI, but either way, VI moves aren't scum moves, nor are anti-town moves scum moves.

[Salamence20]

Isnt constantine voting who he believes is town?

[St Constantine the Hermit]

You mafiascum ppl have it backwards. You assume everyone is scum until proven town. I assume everyone is town until proven scum. At least that is the mindset my mother brought me up on.

D1, it doesn't really matter who goes and who stays. You are practically playing blind, and its just a roll of the dice whether we'll hit scum or not, unless by some chance, you happen to be playing with uber-noob mafia or a vet who makes an early slip.

I am like - so consistent in this belief, that I would automatically vote for whomever has the most votes on him D1, unless by some chance I had someone confirmed as scum D1 (impossible)

[Kaboose]

You mafiascum ppl have it backwards. You assume everyone is scum until proven town. I assume everyone is town until proven scum. At least that is the mindset my mother brought me up on.

D1, it doesn't really matter who goes and who stays. You are practically playing blind, and its just a roll of the dice whether we'll hit scum or not, unless by some chance, you happen to be playing with uber-noob mafia or a vet who makes an early slip.

I am like - so consistent in this belief, that I would automatically vote for whomever has the most votes on him D1, unless by some chance I had someone confirmed as scum D1 (impossible)

I would like to be your friend.

[Kaboose]

Although there are mechanics to prove someone is town or scum D1, the one time I actually suggested this most everyone here seem repulsed at the idea that someone is probably town.

Anywho, D2?

[St Constantine the Hermit]

I would like to be your friend.

Sorry M8tea, but a Hermit has but two friends. His god and his drug dealer.

By rules of the convocation, the internet is a sin. No, I am not making that up, so don't tell Sister Elice, bcause then I'll have to convert to Catholicism (eck)

[Salamence20]

I cant wait to be confirmed town

[Kaboose]

I would like to be your friend.

Sorry M8tea, but a Hermit has but two friends. His god and his drug dealer.

By rules of the convocation, the internet is a sin. No, I am not making that up, so don't tell Sister Elice, bcause then I'll have to convert to Catholicism (eck)

I'm suddenly fine with not being friends now.

But I agree with some of the stuff you say.

[Dessew]

VOTE: KlingonCelt
Obey the Cain.
Actually, she seems reluctant to discuss nearly (might be an understatement) anything game-related, such as her own vote or NC's case on her, as he has pointed it out before.

@PM:

hey there! Could you, please do me a favour, & post at least twice a day? Those posts don't have to be particularly insightful, just have them have content. Thank you.

Why just PM getting the callout here?

I wanted (& still want) him to get more involved. Well, no, "involved" isn't a good word, I just want him to express his thoughts about the game. I believe it'd be advantageous for us.

A lot of people could fall into this. I found it interesting you singled pm out.

They could, but they don't.

Okay, so

@Klingoncelt:

This could be considered to be the cornerstone (cornerpost?) of my vote on you, so instead of spreading us too much, let's just focus on this one:

look at who is still ignoring my case on her.

You have a "case" on someone?

You were clearly reading at that point, based on your other posts around that time, yet you claimed you didn't know about a relatively well-articualted case on

you

, made by a

scumsuspect of yours

. & even if I believe that that's true (frankly, quite difficult to do so), there's still that you didn't look up the case but kept up the tradition of non-content, moreover, in such a way, that, to be honest, "makes one's palm itchy", so to say.
To sum up: both the "content" & the tone of #256 hurt town in a way that seems deliberate.

Nero has no case on me. He's making up a bunch of bullshit and throwing it at the wall hoping something will stick.

I'll make it easy for you - no one can build a Scum case against me. Why? Because I'm not Scum.

By case, I mean this:

I think Nero's Scum.

here celt calls me scum but doesn't vote. If she thought I was scum then why would she not vote?

Its also interesting to note that this very similar to the way that I called her scumbuddy House out and she attacked me over it but did not vote me. You can read about it here

this from celt is extremely manipulative.

She's also avoiding answering things. Like she didn't explain why she wasn't voting me at first and she's being noncommittal as to why she was scum reading me and all we got is this meaningless hogwash as if if her "Nero is scummy for his style" isn't vague enough.

This is defintely a case.

Well Cain, I would be pleased to tell you. The reason for me being so convinced Celt will flip town is borne out of the fact that I don't buy into the arguments of him being scum (and a 1/19 probability). Didn't see nothing inherently VI, but either way, VI moves aren't scum moves, nor are anti-town moves scum moves.

How do you get your numbers?

[Nero Cain]

I don't buy into the arguments of him being scum

Do you even know what the arguments are?

and a 1/19 probability

ummm...you know there are like 4 or 5 scum so 4 out of 19 is what? 21%? Yea its still low but its not like its some impossibility that we lynch scum on d1.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=26421

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=60285

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=58247

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=46542
^^^^
those are games with d1 scum lynches so its not some impossibility.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

"Do you even know what the arguments are?"

Actually, I decided to neglect both my IRL responsibilities and my MS responsibilities to sit on my ass and do nothing. Whenever I replace into a game, I usually don't read through everything I missed, instead individually going through the posts of each player in the game, Bcus it saves a lot of time and helps me think better. All made easy with the handy MS ISO tool.

So I can't claim to know ALL the arguments for Celt being scum, but I did look through his ISO and a couple of the ppl voting for him. That knowledge combined with my own instict on what kind of things he might be under fire for allows me to safely say that I am well informed.

I'm not ruling him out as scum, but I feel as though there isn't enough a persuasive enough case to convince me to scum read him.

"How do you get your numbers?"

Not exactly sure how you MS nerds determine your amount of scum, but there is definitely greater than a 1/19 probability, but I think the point still stands even if it were a 5/19 probability.

Now let's close the day in prayer. "Lord, pls give us the strength to policy lynch all the ignorant scum eating, prostitute kissing, dick licking mafia bastards who are currently not on either the Celt or Nerocain wagon. So help me god, I will end every last one of you MOFO's if you don't get your asses on a wagon to end this blessed day. In Jesus name, Aman."

[Tere]

Okies, I should be able to read up in a couple of hours.

Just popping in because I realised I didn't VOTE: unvote. Forgot completely *shame*

An up to date vote count would be super duper spiffing.

[Tere]

OK, so I unofficially make Klingoncelt L-2, and we have an ika in the game and Boon I think likes quickhammering too, right? And four days or so to deadline? Guess that's where to start...

[Nero Cain]

Klingoncelt (7): Nero Cain, Salamence20, Radja, PMysterious, Kaboose, Dessew, Jazzmyn
Nero Cain (3): WoodyWoodpecker, ConManMick, Klingoncelt
Espeonage (2): Grayfoxxxx, Quaroath
Kaboose (1): I am Innocent
PMysterious (1): Boonskiies
Quaroath (1): Espeonage
I Am Innocent (1): Tere



Not voting (3): ika, evilpacman18, Pisskop

[Nero Cain]

OK, so I unofficially make Klingoncelt L-2, and we have an ika in the game and Boon I think likes quickhammering too, right?

See? ppl are fucking afraid to vote with IKA the quickhammerer. But I don't mind if he quick hammers his buddy.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

There are actually 8 votes on KlingonCelt including mine. 9 if Tere didn't unvote.

[Espeonage]

you being town=//=quar scum.

I mean sure, he sat there early game and misrepped my position that I was going after Celt and Ika 'cause I didn't like them and now has some bullshit about how Radja is scum reading everyone that I wanted to policy lynch. I wouldn't say his play is pro-town or good but thats pretty much 97% of this site.

And then there's Woody, who is STILL fussing about my first post and can't comprehend that the game state has moved forward but if you think Quar is scummy for fussing about my pl on Ika, why is Woody not scummy for the same thing?

He's making up a bunch of bullshit

What am I making up?

That is not why quar is scummy. I even called him town earlier. It's because of more recent postings. And very much for the wagon hop recently.