Mini 1694 -- Zodiac Mafia II (Game Over)

[Aronis]

Do aronis and elusive have past game or offsite experience together? If so, how much?

Nope. We know each other from a Survivor game where we were best of friends until I backstabbed her.

[Tammy]

Oh okay, thanks.

For my elusive town read it's things like this:

Tammy, in ISO I also don't see you doing the daykill plan. So daykill me, girl.

Link two your last four completed scum games, thanks.

I am somewhat amused elusive seems to think she's caught me though, I'm already feelin a certain sense of smugness coming on.

Link to your last 4 completed scum games, hun.

Oh lol this isn't your town game, silly girl. I already did look through your topics and you're lying about your meta I just wanted to see if were going to be cooperative or at least fake it but I guess not

Awww, what attitude don't you like? People politely asking you to be cooperative?

All of this reads to me like someone completely convinced they've caught scum. Yes, the read is bad. Yes, the meta read is bad, but is this the way a scum!elusive approaches a faux scum read in the first 10 pages of the game? As scum, she'd know I was town, know the meta read was wrong, so would she really go balls out? Now, I'm not familiar at all with her scum game, but the way that she approached me reminding me so much of how I've approached someone I'm sure I've caught. That flicker of familiarity is what gives me a pretty decent town read there.

Regarding some of the reasons for her being scum:

The RVS questions are things that she does. I followed the Ori game and she had a similar beginning and defended her use of the rvs questions, so it's completely null. She'd be likely to do it as both alignments.

As far as her abrasiveness, that's also a way she is as town. The Ori game also showed her being pretty abrasive in the way that she dealt with people, so I don't think that's a strong point.

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I think I'm off to a pretty good start here. Why don't you think so?

No I do, I just thought you were approaching me in a weird way but comparing this to westeros makes sense.

I was thinking about this while out for a walk and I'm wondering about your expectations from me now. The game started last Tuesday. I know that for the majority of this game so far that you've been busy, so I'm not sure what you expected me to do? And I also don't know why you expected me to look at the elusive interaction before I had a chance to do so when I said that I would today. What am I letting you get away with when you haven't had much of a chance to be around in the first place?

Also, for the record, while I thought what you said about me to elusive was correct, it wasn't really alignment indicative I don't think. So :/

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Aronis is kinda throwing me off with his activity and case, but maybe I just thought he was in general a trollish lurker, so. His case on elusive doesn't feel scum motivated though. There seemed to be a sense of familiarity between them which had me looking at his case all squinty but if it's from mish-mash then that's nothing.

startfromtheheart being Bert makes me feel better about that slot.

Lane and far side are still pretty solid town reads.

I'm kinda stuck for scum reads at the moment though :/

Oh and massive is a good town read.

UNVOTE:

[startfromtheheart]

Next she begins insulting people, which while it's not necessarily scummy and some players just have a reputation for it, I feel like in this case it kind of is, because of the setting. Basically she insults people which 1. makes some people not want to confront her. Re: KayP's replace out. And 2. She starts calling every question dumb and telling people to read what she wrote, etc. Which is an excellent way to avoid answering things.

Oddly, I recall replacing into Greater Idea with farside and elusive and seeing in my catch-up that someone voiced meta-based suspicion of elusive for being "too pleasant"

blasted hell!!!!!!

metal sonic please don't be scum
not like this

What worries you about metal?

[Ricastle]

Tammy, what do you think of Metal Sonic?

[farside22]

Alright I checked into one player that was pinging me.

Vote: ric

[Aronis]

There goes the elusive wagon.

UNVOTE:

[massive]

Here I am! Reading through now.

[Aronis]

Hi massive!

[massive]

I made it to Page 8. I found this:

The entirety of my play thus far has been based on the misconception of an all-vanilla setup. Therefore most of what I've said and done has been largely irrelevant...anyway, moving on.

which really seems hand-wavey. "Pay no attention to what I posted on pages 1-5!"

Farside's outing of her fortune (and subsequent play out of the dayvig stuff) makes her most likely town. Not sure why Lane doesn't believe her ... Farside is fair as scum (having recently been burned by her) but has never struck me as the gambit-y type. There's absolutely no reason for her to even share what negative horoscope she received.

Not crazy about Tammy's confusion over the rules since they seem fairly straightforward, but I don't know that it's alignment indicative either way.

[farside22]

Oh I gambit, I'm just not stupid.
There is a huge difference.

Hi massive

[Marquis]

you two are both town. rejoice

[RedCoyote]

Those born under the sign of Cancer, ruled by the mysterious Moon, are one of the zodiac's enigmas. It is fair to say that most Cancers are a bundle of contradictions. Compassionate and caring with friends, family and lovers, yet they can cut to the bone with their jealous remarks and ever-changing moods. Endearingly eccentric on one hand, and on the other, insecure about how others see them. Like their astrological symbol - the Crab - Cancers can appear hard and insensitive on the outside. However, for those of us who know and love a "Moon Child", we understand that deep below lies a softness and sensitivity that makes them so very special. Just as the Moon goes through many changes as it moves from its new to full phases, Cancers too go through many new and full phases of experience. Life doesn't stand still for this sign, even if they remain in one place, because they live so much in their internal oceans of emotions. Their link with the Moon often makes it impossible for them to operate on an even keel from day to day. Up and down like the proverbial yo-yo, most Cancerians feel one way one minute, then sometimes totally different the next. But this characteristic is part of their charm.

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Vote Count 1 - 7

• Metal Sonic (3) ( Mainez - startfromtheheart - Ricastle)
  
  Ricastle (2) ( Metal Sonic - farside22)
  elusive (1) (
  farside22
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  Aronis
  - massive)
  massive (1) ( elusive)
  Nachomamma8 (1) ( lane0168)
  
  startfromtheheart (0) (

  Tammy

  )
  
  
  Not Voting (4) ( Nachomamma8 - Marquis - Tammy - Aronis)

With twelve alive, it takes seven to lynch.
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[Marquis]

VOTE: ricastle can do

[Tammy]

Marquis - why did I seem like bees!town tammy?

[Tammy]

Tammy, what do you think of Metal Sonic?

I'm not going to pretend I have even a clue of how to read metal sonic this early with what he's put in the thread. It used to be easy to catch him (and I recently caught him in an offsite game almost immediately but it was alted) but he's gotten more comfortable with playing scum in the past year, so that a read that will have to wait until he says more.

[Metal Sonic]

I couldn't catch up in the offsite game. I should probably check back and see who won.

I don't think we've played much together, and I think we've been town together every time except you in Southern Belles

[Metal Sonic]

Oh, I am obviously, town

Ricastle is just asking dumb questions like a scummy scumbag

[Tammy]

I couldn't catch up in the offsite game. I should probably check back and see who won.

I don't think we've played much together, and I think we've been town together every time except you in Southern Belles

No, you were scum in FFX while I was town, and Nati helped to derail the wagon on you day one. It was after that game that I think you started feeling more comfortable as scum, so my previous way of reading you is a bit defunct.

(Town won the game offsite! It was very close though and came down to just before LyLo. You guys killed me night two!)

[Metal Sonic]

Oh, yeah. I forgot whose slot nati was in; I forgot she was even in the game

But that's the only time you fought me scum right?

Darn, a quick recap on how things went down?

[Metal Sonic]

Actually you can pm me really briefly how my partners got caught

[Ricastle]

So yeah why am I getting wagoned? Can't believe it's the second time I have to ask this.

And is it MS's towngame to act as scummy as possible or something??

[Metal Sonic]

Is it yours??????

[Ricastle]

So which power did you get?

[Metal Sonic]

The power to piss Ricastle off

[Ricastle]

Yes, I gathered that.