481 - Speed 1: Romeo and Juliet Mafia - Game Over!

[Stewie]

Ahh, didn't even see this go into day.

[Stewie]

Ahh, didn't even see this go into day.

[Stewie]

so lurk?

how can you possibly gather information without asking questions?

you know, the more i look at it and think about it, saying "good luck" really is a strange thing to do

in the other two games that you have played on this site, you never said good luck when you joined

its true, "good luck" is usually something you would say to an opponent.

I'm sorry, I must have missed your question... or question mark.... Can you point out where in these three useless posts where it would be?

I'm not saying you should lurk. But I am saying that if you're going ot post, make it constructive.

my final points regarding discussion:

1)

theres more than one way to gather information

2) you have your way, i have my way

That, coupled with vague posts which don't seem helpful at all, gives me enough reason to

vote: logicticus

PS: thanks mods for waiting up... I really didn't notice that this game had started, and I did look for it which makes it weirder still.

[Stewie]

Reading further on down, I see that my argument is basically the same as Kinetic's... hmm.

Yeah, pretty much.

[Stewie]

poppinpuffin: your argument seems to revolve around Kinetic "panicking." Is there a reason in particular why you think that this panic is more likely scum panic than townie panic?

[Stewie]

I've got the answer for that, but will let Poppin give an explanation (which will probably be the same anyways, at this rate)

That's good. I hope he answers soon, because I think it's a newbie town panic.

[Stewie]

DP is playing the way he always plays day one. Could be scum, but the fact that he wants a bandwagon day one is no indication that he is.

[Stewie]

This game has changed that slightly, however, because of the rapid deadlines, but since mafia know who is and is not on their side they can sway the town with two or three very opportune votes. That is why when someone voted is more important to me than how they voted.

Actually, not true, about mafia knowing who is and who isn't on their side. This game has a traitor, which means that the mafia have one person they don't know about on their side, who they could mistakenly lynch.

[Stewie]

Yes, I was considering the traitor. That's why I said "everything being normal".

I was assuming no doc intervention and no traitor recruitment.

This is an open game. There is a traitor, and there is no doc. We just have a cop and a 2-shot vigi. Also, we have partial reveals, so it's possible that one of the dead people is the cop or the vigi (or, if we have really bad luck, both).

[Stewie]

Is it also possible that Kinetic was the Traitor? Or would that have been revealed in the death scene?

No. The faction of the traitor is Capulet, therefore Kinetic is townie, cop, or vigi.

[Stewie]

Wow, it's funny how quickly we got down to seven players! Due to the traitor coming up Montague, we have no way of knowing if a mislynch today puts us in LyLo or not, which is an interesting predicament to say the least. I think that if today's lynch comes up Montague (or if more people get themselves modkilled O.o;) we should play it safe and assume we're going to be at LyLo - that means probably no vig kill tonight if we do not lynch correctly.

Well, it's not quite lylo, since the scum would have two opportunities to kill his own traitor if he is still alive. We can, or course, assume worst case scenario.

[Stewie]

Well, I might as well get the day started by

vote: logicticus

I'm still not happy about the way he implied that you can only gather information by asking questions, and when told he did not ask any questions, went on how there's more than one way to gather information. He did apologize for it later on, but to me it seems that someone who truly believes that there's more than one way to gather information would not ask someone "how are you gonna gather information without asking any questions?" (paraphrased). Furthermore, when you read his posts it seems as if he's posting for the sake of posting (posting to not get modkilled).

[Stewie]

Meh, there's very little in Fleaboy's posts to tie him to anyone in particular. If I had to guess, based solely on his posts, there are a few interactions with Brutal Assassin that would make him top of my list.

Oh boy. I don't know how to break this to you... BA is dead...

(I got nothing to add right now, I'm basically posting to not get mod killed if I am not able to post in time)

[Stewie]

Furthermore, when you read his posts it seems as if he's posting for the sake of posting (posting to not get modkilled).

I think we are all guilty of this sometimes (or maybe it's just me).
I don't think it's a scum-tell.

Yeah, but "sometimes" is different from "mostly." I don't want to say always because he did have a few good posts, such as that last one; but stuff like 44, 46, 61, and 140 shouldn't fly. There are other posts which do contribute to the discussion, but are short and vague (like 26 and 28).

Then there's 71, where he points out that something Kinetic did was scummy... yet he does not vote for him.

[Stewie]

Well, other than scumminess, what other information do you have to determine if someone is scum (given that it was day one, and even if you were a cop you did not have a chance to investigate anyone)?

[Stewie]

If logicticus is scum then we win. The winning condition says nothing about Romeo.

Otherwise, agreed.

[Stewie]

Sign me up for the shameless filler post. Better safe than sorry.

[Stewie]

well, it looks like jimmy r will be modkilled, im pretty sure he was done and didnt get to read the final ruling....that will bring it to 4

We can save him, however. We just need to lynch one day earlier.

The one other person I am willing to lynch is Mert, but I am not as convinced as I am for logi. I'm keeping my vote on for now and see where Mert is tomorrow. I'm really not feeling the xyzzy bandwagon, so I doubt I'll switch there to get a lynch.

[Stewie]

someone anaylze DPs posts. He has gotten too much of a free ride the whole game without any serious inspection.

Do you have anything to say yourself about DP? After a reread, I didn't find him saying anything suspicious.

[Stewie]

Settle down you two.

Posting to avoid modkill, although I am not sure it's necessary.

[Stewie]

Ok, I'm just going to get in a brief post to start the day, in point form:

-I still find logi to be suspicious, and most likely candidate to be scum.
-Although I find logi to be on the suspicious end of the debate, I don't like the way in which xyzzy does not answer questions directed at him. I think that if logi is not scum, xyzzy could possibly be it.
-I don't think DP is scum. The way logi points out how we've been giving DP a "free pass" just makes me think he's more likely to be scum. (I think he did this twice).
-I'm not going to vote yet, because we might be at lynch or lose.

[Stewie]

OK, there is no more vigi (or there is, but he is no longer active). Does anyone else object to a no lynch, to bring the players down to three? Unless I am missing something, this would be the correct play for today.

Also, note that if the traitor was alive, the game would be over (ie: the town could not achieve a lynch, therefore the game would go into night with no lynch, the mafia would kill again... you get the picture). Therefore, there's three town players and one scum left.

[Stewie]

Since there's no objection, I'll

vote: no lynch

[Stewie]

Mert would just vote for you, I would pile my vote on you, and win the game. Even if you voted for Mert and I fell for it, it would be me and you going into night, and I would kill you then.

I'm wondering how logi thought of killing ssf, however.

[Stewie]

Well, i had stewie worked out, but not until it was too late.

Im surprised you killed me n3, i felt i was a pretty good target to paint as the last scum.

Did you know that mert was the traitor?

I picked ssf because in the beginning he kept posting like every 23 hours which is something i felt someone who wanted to lurk would do without getting busted.

I killed you because you didn't say who you thought was scum, and I had a feeling it would have been me and you would be able to convince DP. Mert already said he wasn't suspicious of you, so I wouldn't leave the two of you alive. By killing you, I was hopping to get DP to lynch Mert, since I thought they were both town.