Mini 1694 -- Zodiac Mafia II (Game Over)

[Aronis]

Pagetop!

[lane0168]

My read on Tammy was a based on a cold read of her posts so far which was then followed up with meta data and then her reactions\behavior to being suspected. It's on her or her defenders to actually disprove data through evidence. Town usually tries to be helpful, especially since she reads me as innocent or leaning that way. Why wouldn't you work with your town or lean town reads?

Yeah, no.

Lol you're hilarious. It's on us to proof her innocence? Maybe you haven't played before but you have to get people to vote someone to get them lynched. ITs up to you to prove she's scum.

[Aronis]

@farside about the daykill thing: I'd have to clarify with the mod about how the daykill would work to make sure town doesn't screw me over by doing this. If I could get it and avoid using it until I wanted it, I would choose it and then save it till LyLo for the insta-win. If not, I'd take the roleblock.

[Nachomamma8]

I see neither Nacho or Startfromtheheart actually counteract how Tammy is NOT playing to her scum meta so far (lack of reads, focusing on things other than the game, playing the dumb blonde, etc)

Making a mistake about the setup is something that everyone does from time to time. I made a mistake about the setup in this very game. It's not a scumtell.

Not having reads isn't significant to me because she hasn't been around. If she was active and posting and not producing anything then I would be right there beside you, but she's been busy. Not really gonna push someone for being busy.

Focusing on things other than the game? What are you talking about?

[Nachomamma8]

@farside about the daykill thing: I'd have to clarify with the mod about how the daykill would work to make sure town doesn't screw me over by doing this. If I could get it and avoid using it until I wanted it, I would choose it and then save it till LyLo for the insta-win. If not, I'd take the roleblock.

For one lovely moment, I thought you scumslipped really, really hard.

[Aronis]

@farside about the daykill thing: I'd have to clarify with the mod about how the daykill would work to make sure town doesn't screw me over by doing this. If I could get it and avoid using it until I wanted it, I would choose it and then save it till LyLo for the insta-win. If not, I'd take the roleblock.

For one lovely moment, I thought you scumslipped really, really hard.

sorry, I'm town. I can't scumslip.

[startfromtheheart]

sorry, I'm town. I can't scumslip.

Heartbreaking, truly!

[Nachomamma8]

Things I know about: female emotional\psychological responses. And faking it

Ummmmmmm
All women don't act and respond to things the same way, which is what this is implying.
No. Bad.

[Tammy]

My read on Tammy was a based on a cold read of her posts so far which was then followed up with meta data and then her reactions\behavior to being suspected. It's on her or her defenders to actually disprove data through evidence. Town usually tries to be helpful, especially since she reads me as innocent or leaning that way. Why wouldn't you work with your town or lean town reads?

Yeah, no.

At the moment I'm amused with how right you think you are and the way you're going about it. You're wrong, I know you're wrong, and right now I don't feel like defending myself as I'm a bit more interested in how other people read this right now. I know you have a bad meta read, and if you think I'm scum underperforming my scum capabilities, it's probably just because I'm town.

[startfromtheheart]

Amusement is reason for this game to pick up! It has been a crawl!

[Tammy]

Oh but I did tell you to look at team mafia signs and void if you want to see how I deal with a setup I don't understand. Did you do that?

[elusive]

Nacho, I read her entrances not the whole games but that is what is relevant at this point. That was what was relevant. Also, stuff. But your comments seem to focus on the passive. What are her reads and her contributions so far?

Tammy, you should probably actually start playing the game instead of engaging in theatrics. You have scum and town read what are they?

Reactions are just as interesting although we have a slight lurker issue and I hope mods replace people who drag the game down.

Tammy link to what you're taking about.

[Tammy]

Early townish reads of varying degrees on Nacho, far side, lane, and kayp.

I think startfromtheheart concerns me the most, but I'm going to wait for the daykill confirmation.

It also just occurred to me that they might not have taken the other alignment empowered on the first go round to avoid something like this if they thought they might have a chance to take it again. This seems a bit silly though, and potentially wrong if there are no redos (I just looked and I didn't see a one-time only clause, so if I missed it never mind on all of this.) However, if there is no day kill, then that might help in narrowing the scum down.

[Tammy]

Oh boy, you really should do a better meta dive of me if you're considering this theatrics.

[startfromtheheart]

Tammy's even-keeled so far.

[elusive]

Tammy,
And you should really provide reasons for reads, nearly 100 posts later and you're still relying on that wishy washy post to carry you?

[startfromtheheart]

Pagetop!

We should talk! Although -
Fuel tank is a little empty after that 6 hour marathon last night. Probably same for you!

[Tammy]

Tammy,
And you should really provide reasons for reads, nearly 100 posts later and you're still relying on that wishy washy post to carry you?

I feel like for someone who is meta diving me, you should be doing a better job because all you're doing is proving you know shit about my meta and your read is bad.

There is a forum entitled team mafia, like it's not hard to find.

You should probably give up on your cat pouncing game, you're swatting at air, and I'll do things in my own time and in my own way. I think that should be apparent by now.

[elusive]

Oh great this game is going to be so fun, k I'll check in when I'm good and ready so don't expect much more from me until I feel like it because thats so fucking town.

[elusive]

Tammy trying to make herself seem like a mouse instead of a player of repute or a big dog lol is funny. I do hate mice, they're disgusting.

[Nachomamma8]

On an irrelevant note, I'm really digging the animal metaphors.

[RedCoyote]

Ruled by the benefic planet Jupiter, Sagittarians possess a natural exuberance, sense of adventure and love of life that makes them one of the most optimistic zodiac signs of all. Like their astrological symbol - the Archer - Sagittarians are renowned for aiming their sights towards whatever it is they find alluring - a love partner, dream job, vacation - and making it their own. They believe that anything is possible - and because of this belief system, Sagittarians are adept at seeking out their very own pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. But sometimes trying to tie down these free-spirited individuals is frustrating for those around them. Sagittarians are happiest on the move - exploring new cultures and ideas and many are attracted to occupations related to travel, the media, outdoor work and philosophical pursuits. In love, their catch-cry is "don't fence me in". But once they find a partner who understands their need to retain their own sense of self and identity, Sagittarians can be the most big-hearted, generous and fun-loving companions of all.

"You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life." - Winston Churchill

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Vote Count 1 - 4

• Tammy (3) ( Metal Sonic - elusive - Marquis)
  
  elusive (2) ( lane0168 - farside22)
  startfromtheheart (2) ( Ricastle - Tammy)
  Marquis (1) ( KayP)
  Metal Sonic (1) ( Mainez)
  
  lane0168 (0) (

  Marquis

  )
  
  Nachomamma8 (1) ( startfromtheheart)
  
  Not Voting (2) ( Nachomamma8 - Aronis)

With twelve alive, it takes seven to lynch.
Current Deadline:

(expired on 2015-07-14 18:05:00)

[KayP]

Hey there, everyone.

I'm sitting down to catch up right now.

[KayP]

Thoughts:

How did Ricastle come to the conclusion that the game is all-vanilla? This seems like inside information to me. I also don't get how he would know mafia didn't have pre-game talk... there's just a lot of info coming out of Ricastle that seems like maybe he assumed everyone knows because it's hard for him to separate himself from what he knows as mafia and what he should know as town.

I think farside is my strongest town read so far... claiming that opposite alignment empowerment thing basically just confirms that she is town if there's a night kill in the upcoming phase, right? Because if she was mafia that got "opposite alignment empowerment" it would mean she couldn't kill. How does this not just make her confirmed town?

I also think Tammy is pretty town for not understanding how things worked... I was confused myself, too, so that speaks to me. Plus, if she was mafia, wouldn't she have had to select an action thing already? So she would know how it works... unless she's faking ignorance, then Tammy is a good town pick for now.

Metal Sonic's reasonless vote on Tammy is highly suspect to me.

And yet there's something about Ricastle asking for explanations that sits with me wrong. It could just be confirmation bias from my read on him already, but something just seems "off" about the way he popped in to kind of stir the flames of three wagons at once.

So that's my catch up... sort of underwhelming. I assumed there'd be more to talk about in 12 pages but I guess not!

VOTE: Ricastle

[lane0168]

@kayp. No thoughts on me or elusive?