Mini 1694 -- Zodiac Mafia II (Game Over)

[Tammy]

So which scum games did you look at?

[Nachomamma8]

marquis if that was a troll it was a pretty solid one
if it wasn't then bad marquis

[Nachomamma8]

I'd really prefer this argument not go on too much longer, elusive's meta case is terrible but doesn't seem particularly scum-motivated.

[startfromtheheart]

marquis if that was a troll it was a pretty solid one
if it wasn't then bad marquis

Hi I'm prod dodging, scrub!

[Tammy]

Tammy, reason for the vote on start?

Part gut, something feels off about his posts, and part something else I'm holding onto as I want to see if anyone else sees what I see.

[startfromtheheart]

So which scum games did you look at?

Zero!

[Nachomamma8]

marquis if that was a troll it was a pretty solid one
if it wasn't then bad marquis

Hi I'm prod dodging, scrub!

Bad startfromtheheart
You don't want to play with me??

[startfromtheheart]

I have played with you! Been there, done that. You're America's favorite pastime, like a baseball game!

[elusive]

Tammy,

SO why are you acting like someone with something to hide? Two can play at being uncooperative. The logical thing as town to do is to try to help players with reading you and your reaction was not your usual reaction as town. Instead you're trying to engage in theatrics. Surprising.

As for town in this game, once you've looked at the first two games I've linked, and come to some thesis then ask me for more to follow up. Once I start digging, I go far.

Oh and here is one scum game: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=54228

[startfromtheheart]

Tammy, reason for the vote on start?

Part gut, something feels off about his posts, and part something else I'm holding onto as I want to see if anyone else sees what I see.

The answer is in the riddle if you see through the corner of the lens.

[Nachomamma8]

You're saying you're already bored of me???

[startfromtheheart]

Figure it out yourself!

[Nachomamma8]

The logical thing as town to do is to try to help players with reading you and your reaction was not your usual reaction as town.

Tammy's usual reaction as town is not to be open, honest, and patient when suspected for reasons she believes is bad. If you didn't catch onto this with a meta dive, you need to do some more in depth reading.

[elusive]

I see neither Nacho or Startfromtheheart actually counteract how Tammy is NOT playing to her scum meta so far (lack of reads, focusing on things other than the game, playing the dumb blonde, etc)

[lane0168]

Tammy,

SO why are you acting like someone with something to hide? Two can play at being uncooperative. The logical thing as town to do is to try to help players with reading you and your reaction was not your usual reaction as town. Instead you're trying to engage in theatrics. Surprising.

As for town in this game, once you've looked at the first two games I've linked, and come to some thesis then ask me for more to follow up. Once I start digging, I go far.

Oh and here is one scum game: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=54228

The hypocrisy is real with this one. I think its funny elusive linked 2 games where tammy didn't do setup spec and tried to condemn her for that.

For the people that didn't bother with looking at the links, one was a newbie, one was a mini normal. That's downright ridiculous elusive. How bad can you get?

[elusive]

I'm sorry did you point to a game where she was different? No? Then stop being lame.

[Tammy]

Awww, what attitude don't you like? People politely asking you to be cooperative?

No, it's the little flickers of condescension, I'm not offended by the way, but you feel like a cat who thinks they've caught a mouse. I've bern there, and I'm kinda amused cuz you're reminding me of a couple times I've bern sure I've caught someone.

It's giving me an innocent lean on you, not sure if this sense of aha I've caught you comes from you as scum.

You're just wrong.

I'm not a dumb blonde! Dumb redhead maybe. Still doesn't change the fact that I don't understand setups often until they get going.

[startfromtheheart]

You can't play dumb! Look under your name! What is it that I spy?

If you guys think you've caught Tammy through meta, more power to you!

[elusive]

Tammy,

Yeah, I also read this "Primer on Being Scum" post #3 by you (http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=94&t=60075) and therefore, I'm pretty sure you're underplaying your skills.

The attempt to equate a scum read with condescension also bad, since rather then responding to the reasons for the read or attempting to clarify you're attempting to engage in faux "emotional" behavior.

Things I know about: female emotional\psychological responses. And faking it

[startfromtheheart]

I wish I could borrow the powers of a woman's intuition for one day...

Anyone who has that gift, send it this way...

Later!

[lane0168]

I'm sorry did you point to a game where she was different? No? Then stop being lame.

No I didn't but you're straight up scum, and lying about tammys game. You are either scum or literally the worst town I've ever seen

[lane0168]

I can not believe elusive isn't lynched yet

[elusive]

Now to engage in actual condescension:

Lane, can you link me to 2 town games (minimum) where Tammy enters in the same way and behaves the same way? And describe her meta in both. I would say something about ongoing games but boo rules.

Just two, would take you from seeming like a tryhard to you know actually playing the game.

I hope this isn't too hard for you, I know this game isn't for everyone.

[elusive]

My read on Tammy was a based on a cold read of her posts so far which was then followed up with meta data and then her reactions\behavior to being suspected. It's on her or her defenders to actually disprove data through evidence. Town usually tries to be helpful, especially since she reads me as innocent or leaning that way. Why wouldn't you work with your town or lean town reads?

Yeah, no.

[lane0168]

It's your case. You fucking do it. You made a case that she doesn't setup spec as town and your proof was a newbie game and a mini normal. How the Fuck is that "actually playing the game"? That's so bad it's a little unbelievable.