Kingmaker II-Game Over

[petroleumjelly]

You didn't explicitly say it, but I certainly read this:

Well done. You've convinced me that you are not the play for today.

To include an asterisk of "but maybe tomorrow", especially since your posts immediatley before that were unambiguously calling for my death.

[petroleumjelly]

Also (had to search for it), I was remembering a quote slightly out of context (I remembered the wording correctly, but the circumstance around it makes it less of a pattern):

As for calling Der Hammer for tomorrow, that's merely because I am pretty convinced right now that Mnowax is scum, so Der Hammer is going on my suspicion list, but not as a possible execution for today. Fritzler, Smashy, and Der Hammer will have to wait for tomorrow, because we already have a scum today.

I feel like I'm missing at least one example of this, but eh, I pretty much don't want to scour your posts to look for examples of a pattern I noticed off-hand.

[Fritzler]

At this point, as I've been saying, Fritzer is quite high on my personal list of suspicion. He hasn't done much this game, and what he has done has been almost universally anti-town.

I do want to hear in the near future what everyone would think about a Fritzer execution.

Exactly correct. Uncharacteristically, Fritler IS dead easy to read in this game, because he has done nothing, but absolutely nothing that was pro-town, and absolutely everything he did do was anti-town.

I am 100% behind a Fritlzer execution and I will front the cheerleader\\ing section when it happens.

I will add that the only problem I have with PJ thus far is that he seems to go easy on Fritzler. PJ knows you can always say that Fritzler is unreadable. However this game is an exception. I expect more from PJ. If Fritzler turns up scum... and we'll have to execute him sooner or later, so might as well be sooner, then I will have to change my mind, and look at the real possibility that PJ might be Fritzler's scummbuddy.

so im 100% anti-town

i just want to record that, for personal use

[Fritzler]

im here, and still support a ts lynch

also, i really liked you mnowax analysis pj

What do you think of Cavane?

i don't think he's good enough to perfectly slip under the radar like that as scum

i would guess on the side of pro town

[Mastermind of Sin]

You didn't explicitly say it, but I certainly read this:

Well done. You've convinced me that you are not the play for today.

To include an asterisk of "but maybe tomorrow", especially since your posts immediatley before that were unambiguously calling for my death.

sorry, that's not what I meant. If that was true I'd still be pressing you, because I'd think you were suspicious even if I thought there was a better target today.

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

the PJ+Yos2 scumpair gets more obvious by the minute. Let's hammer them.

[Cavane]

i don't think he's good enough to perfectly slip under the radar like that as scum

i would guess on the side of pro town

I'm pleased your opinion is that I'm town, but I'm curious what you're basing my skill level on. I don't think I've ever played a game with you.

P.S. PBP of PJ should be finished tomorrow. Finally got a day off from work.

[Lowell]

Just checking in. Is anyone dead yet?

[Yosarian2]

[quote="KaleiÐoscøpe"]the PJ+Yos2 scumpair gets more obvious by the minute. Let's hammer them.[/quote]

Heh...I agree with PJ, so therefore I'm scum with him? DOes that mean you and RAfK are scum together?

[Fritzler]

[quote="Yosarian2"][quote="KaleiÐoscøpe"]the PJ+Yos2 scumpair gets more obvious by the minute. Let's hammer them.[/quote]

Heh...I agree with PJ, so therefore I'm scum with him? DOes that mean you and RAfK are scum together?[/quote]actually all four of you are scum

pairing up a distancing the other pairs

genius

[Fritzler]

i don't think he's good enough to perfectly slip under the radar like that as scum

i would guess on the side of pro town

I'm pleased your opinion is that I'm town, but I'm curious what you're basing my skill level on. I don't think I've ever played a game with you.

P.S. PBP of PJ should be finished tomorrow. Finally got a day off from work.

clique rumors

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

Heh...I agree with PJ, so therefore I'm scum with him?

Agreeing with someone is a scumtell. I think you and PJ are both scummy, and the way you two continuesly agree with each other confirm my suspicions by the minute.

DOes that mean you and RAfK are scum together?

I'm not scum. I don't know about RafK, but I'd say no to him as well.

[Fritzler]

lol

that might be the funniest thing i've ever heard

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

Nice to hear I made your day then

[Fritzler]

"it happened"

[Toaster Strudel]

[quote="KaleiÐoscøpe"][quote="Yosarian2"]Heh...I agree with PJ, so therefore I'm scum with him?[/quote]Agreeing with someone is a scumtell.[/quote]
Hey! I agreed with PJ, too. How come you're not including me in the scumlist? I feel left out.

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

I already got 4 scumplayers... I think it's unlikely there are more then 4, if there even are 4.

[Cavane]

This has turned out to be less a PBP and more a stream of consciousness as I review PJ's posts. Originally I had been quoting quite a bit, but the sheer amount of material PJ has posted in this game made me change gears and take them out.

Early on, I was struck by two things about PJ. His posts were nearly always quite long, which is generally a good sign to me. However, his overt town claims gave me pause. He claimed that he usually did such things, but I've never played with PJ, and I don't care to go looking at other games to gain info on a player. In any case, the fact that he defended that action so staunchly and later in the game stopped doing it result in scummy mark.

Next thing that pops out at me is that during his first kingship, he doesn't cave to peasant pressure regarding LoE issues. That looks more townie to me, I would think a scum king would be more eager to please and eager for a quick end to the day. Could be WIFOM of course, but honestly, anything can be WIFOM if you put enough backspin on it.

He did a summary later on with his thoughts on each player. I mainly looked at the two confirmed scum. It looks to me with Pooky, PJ tried not to take a stand, saying he was never able to get a read on him. SV, however, he expressed some slight suspicion of, but it was weak. Overall, not good.

Of course, he executes a townie, but it was D1. I can give benefit of the doubt there. Any town king would be hard pressed to nab scum on the first go.

Next day, he puts up a decently strong case against Pooky, but abandons it. Overall no tell there, I think. It's quite easy to get legitimately distracted in such a big game.

I'm really liking his defense of his D1 actions, particularly here. A lot of scum defenses I have seen consisted of smoke and mirrors, but PJ is quite logical there. Townie points.

He also renews his case on SV from D1, not backing down when he is later scrutinized for it.

...and the search function just went down. Or something. At any rate, I don't have it in me tonight to start reading the whole thread from Day 2. I'm going to post this for now and beg your collective forgiveness for not finishing as I promised. I'll try to finish this tomorrow. At the very least, I

will

get some more of it posted up. Again, apologies.

[Thesp]

What about other players? Why all the attention on PJ?

[Mastermind of Sin]

He's following up on your accusation of him being wishy-washy about PJ's alignment by doing an analysis whereupon he can then conclude his official position, duh.

[Thesp]

He's following up on your accusation of him being wishy-washy about PJ's alignment by doing an analysis whereupon he can then conclude his official position, duh.

Your condescension is unbecoming.

[Fritzler]

Early on, I was struck by two things about PJ. His posts were nearly always quite long, which is generally a good sign to me. However, his overt town claims gave me pause. He claimed that he usually did such things, but I've never played with PJ, and I don't care to go looking at other games to gain info on a player. In any case, the fact that he defended that action so staunchl

well, now im not going to listen to anything else you say

[Yosarian2]

[quote="KaleiÐoscøpe"]Agreeing with someone is a scumtell.[/quote]

Eh...what? Are you on drugs or something?

PJ is making sense, and I agree with what he's said. I notice you didn't actually bother to disagree with anything he said in that entire analysis he did. Now, that dosn't prove that he's town, some people are very good at sounding like they're making sense when scum, but when someone says stuff and it's the same stuff that I'm thinking, it makes me feel better about them because it makes me think they're probably looking at the game the same way I am.

If no one ever agreed with anyone, then no one would ever get lynched. Basically, you're making absolutly no sense at all here, especally as SCUM GERNEALLY DON'T LOUDLY AGREE WITH EACH OTHER IN THE THREAD. When you see two people obveously agreeing with each other in the thread, you can usually guess that either they're both town, or one is town and the other one is scum playing him like a puppet.

I mean, seriously, WTF are you thinking here?

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

Does insane count?

Seriously though, if you the only thing you could say about PJ's analysis is "I agree with most of it", you're doing your job just as bad as Cavane's "not taking a stance" post.

The third paragraph is WIFOM.

[Yosarian2]

[quote="KaleiÐoscøpe"]
Seriously though, if you the only thing you could say about PJ's analysis is "I agree with most of it", you're doing your job just as bad as Cavane's "not taking a stance" post.[/quote]

But that's not the only thing I said about PJ's analysis.