Mini 1694 -- Zodiac Mafia II (Game Over)

[Ricastle]

VOTE: startfromtheheart

I think it's pretty obvious how to start this. We'll do popcorn for dayvigs and see who has one. If nobody does, Far is confscum. If somebody does, it's a scum lynch and Far is conftown. That sound good?

[Ricastle]

Well, that's annoying.

[Ricastle]

Okay...? Why?

[Ricastle]

Our ricastle, maybe you could try answering your own question.

Sorry, you lost me.

[Ricastle]

The only thing I can think of is believing that I am trying to get massive cred, or a mislynch on far by manipulating the daykill cancel, but I think such a chain of thought would only come to the forefront of one's mind if there was preexisting bias against me. Also, the daykill cancelling thing sounds like something pretty much only the people in the last Zodiac would know about so I don't see how it would be assumed that I knew about it.

Oh, actually, it could also be because of my apparent certainty that scum have the dayvig. Well guess what, I just so happen to have read the thread, and I agree completely with the notion that it only makes sense for that to be the case. Scum choosing any other ability in a game of what I assume is entirely vanilla would be simply stupid.

[Ricastle]

Waiting for the mod will take ages, as I believe they're barely ever on. It'd be much quicker to just target different players.

Daykill: Metal Sonic

[Ricastle]

Explain why scum would pick Commuter, Hider, Vest, Roleblocker or Neighborizer over Dayvig in an all-vanilla game. Also explain how that isn't the obvious conclusion to make.

[Ricastle]

all-vanilla game? where did that come from?

Just looked back at my PM and it appears I misread. Not used to townie just meaning VT, lol.

There's also a pretty distinct possibility that we are running around like chickens with our heads cut off and they haven't even picked yet

Oh...yeah...right. I didn't realise scum didn't have pre-game chat about this.

[Ricastle]

And I'm even more of an idiot because the sample PM is on the first page. Dear oh dear...

[Ricastle]

The entirety of my play thus far has been based on the misconception of an all-vanilla setup. Therefore most of what I've said and done has been largely irrelevant...anyway, moving on.

there was good and bad about this talk.
one we know scum thought about what to take and the in's and out's
two it got us out of rvs and people posted to get reads on.

What was the bad?

Keeping my vote on start for now. I don't like how he immediately came to the conclusion that my vote was a reaction test when it was just late RVS. His latest three posts also reek of trying to look useful.

[Ricastle]

Oh, really? Hm. If that was the case here, though, then I don't know why on earth scum would choose anything other than Dayvig. Strange indeed...

[Ricastle]

At least the daykill can be used to end game in Lylo. The protectives are useless, the roleblock is nigh-useless, and Neighborizer is a scumclaim.

There is no difference. That's what had me confused.

[Ricastle]

I'd love to hear the explanations for these last three votes.

[Ricastle]

Tammy, reason for the vote on start?

[Ricastle]

How did Ricastle come to the conclusion that the game is all-vanilla? This seems like inside information to me. I also don't get how he would know mafia didn't have pre-game talk... there's just a lot of info coming out of Ricastle that seems like maybe he assumed everyone knows because it's hard for him to separate himself from what he knows as mafia and what he should know as town.

Why don't you finish catching up? Also, you do realise it was confirmed that scum

did

have pre-game chat, right?

On another note VOTE: elusive

[Ricastle]

all-vanilla game? where did that come from?

Just looked back at my PM and it appears I misread. Not used to townie just meaning VT, lol.

There is no difference. That's what had me confused.

[Ricastle]

Actually, you know what, fair enough. Wasn't a remotely confident vote and reading your posts back I'm not seeing what I thought I saw. I'm also not really seeing Tammy scum at the moment unless there's some bombshell evidence I'm overlooking (which tbqh is very possible considering my attention level in this game).

Why don't we all make up and wagon startfromtheheart, eh?

[Ricastle]

Already explained!

I don't like how he immediately came to the conclusion that my vote was a reaction test when it was just late RVS. His latest three posts also reek of trying to look useful.

He hasn't done anything since then either.

[Ricastle]

He is not scumhunting he is just fluffing and shit talking

He has not posted a single read yet. Vote elusive vote hearty but doesn't provide reasons.

Obvscum, please kill

He asks too many questions but he doesnt contribute shit.

Too many "why?", but too little "x is town y is scum"

You cannot be serious...this is the epitome of hypocrisy.

First off, the timing of your vote makes no bloody sense considering my previous post was explaining the scumread on start. You aren't even bothering to mention it in your case, either. Why is that?

Also..ha..I'VE fluffed, shit talked, and provided little reasoning? ISO yourself why don't you. You know, scum can belt out as many reads as they want in a strategic manner because they know who's what; it's generally harder for town to get legitimate reads. Your reads in 325 are utterly empty; how is that a shining example of pro-town play? In fact, going by your OWN LOGIC, it's the opposite.

You're pushing a policy of "more reads = good, less reads = bad" which a) is bullshit as I already explained and b) makes that empty-ass 325 of yours look good. Also, I could understand you being confident in me being scum, but 'confscum'? Cut the shit. That's scum trying to fake overconfidence.

Here's a read for you: Metal Sonic is scum

VOTE: Metal Sonic

[Ricastle]

Look at that...just look at that. Jesus christ.

[Ricastle]

I am challenging YOU and YOUR mindset. It's nothing your friends can "defend" you from.

[Ricastle]

Also it's scummy as fuck. You're literally banking on your friends (whoever they are) finding excuses for you so you can sheep them after. Too, too blatant.

[Ricastle]

Tammy, what do you think of Metal Sonic?

[Ricastle]

So yeah why am I getting wagoned? Can't believe it's the second time I have to ask this.

And is it MS's towngame to act as scummy as possible or something??

[Ricastle]

So which power did you get?

[Ricastle]

Yes, I gathered that.

[Ricastle]

Yes, come on. Paint me as scum through joke interactions. We'll see how that holds up for you.

[Ricastle]

Wtf is up with the m's wagon?

Mainez's vote is RVS. Ricastle's vote is prob omgus. And idk about SFTH's.

VOTE: mainez

To explain this vote, I shall quote the famous Mainez: " your ISO kind of stinks."

Well, nice to know you're both reading the game.

Far, you still need to explain the vote on me.

[Ricastle]

Nobody

needs

to explain anything to you.

Well ultimately, it'll be bad for the other town more than me if I'm blindly lynched...scum will be having a house party while town will be flailing around looking stupid.

I reread ric and saw he didn't really explain his vote. When he got a response it caught my attention he didn't unvote.
The vote he did place on elusive was very awkward,
Instead of scum hunting afterwards, metal calls him out and he basically omgus votes metal for doing so.

I have not been very engaged in this game, no doubt about that. I can't even remember why I voted elusive now...you should read my case on MS though, because it's definitely more than OMGUS.

[Ricastle]

Because I'm making points against him that are more substantial than "he's voting me"?

[Ricastle]

Nope. It's not about the vote, it's about the reasons for it.

[Ricastle]

Yeah, you know what. I'm fine with this. I'm not remotely invested in this game and can't see myself contributing meaningfully in the near future.

Sorry for my bad play, guys, really. MS and lane are the most likely scum on my wagon. See you in the next life...

[Ricastle]

VOTE: marquis

i am getting cold feet about the ricastle wagon

again

Aww, widdle scummy's getting scared

[Ricastle]

Ric, your "give up" attitude is bizarre and I've never seen it in your town games so idk but its quite heartbreaking and you going to get slayed for it which if you're town (like in the words of Buzz Lightyear)

Eh, at the end of the day, there really is nothing I can say in my defence in regards to the accusations toward me. I have not played well, there's do doubt about that, and if I'm to be lynched for it, then I won't put up a fight.

[Ricastle]

I have explained my scum read on MS in the same post which I voted him in. His play thereafter has been icing on the cake. The last time you commented on my reasoning you put it down as OMGUS; would you like to discuss it properly now?

[Ricastle]

So at least 2 people knew for sure the daykill thing wouldn't work. Rics attempt at the easy farside thing is the scummiest. After that I think metal and nachos reactions to it are the second scummiest. Both tried to lead us to believe they could pm it to the mod and their reactions seem the weirdest in general imo.

Aside from that I think nacho and ricastle's play is the scummiest.

There was something I didn't like by start. Actually it might have been their reaction to the daykill plan too. Brb

Oh, and as for lane, his vote was opportunistic as fuck while simultaneously lining up lynches. Not giving any reasoning for his vote on me while going on a tangent about Nacho & start also looks really unnatural. The above is the only reasoning he's given for his scumread on me which surmounts to calling my play scummy and giving no explanation as to why.

[Ricastle]

Your point is he is a hypocrite.
Why does that make him scum if your doing it?

Because he's doing things he considers scummy but detracting attention from it by pinning the accusations onto someone else. As I stated there, I had just explained my scumread on start so his push made no sense at that time either. Also, my last paragraph has other points.

[Ricastle]

Ah yes, the old "x is dumb" scum rhetoric...you aren't fooling anyone bro. Actually, to be fair, you are, which is the most annoying thing about this game.

[Ricastle]

Can anyone seriously tell me why MS is town?

[Ricastle]

I just realised why my interest in this game is so low: It's a total pissing contest. Nothing exhilarating, just some random people passively pissing about.

Oh, and my top 2 scumreads evacuating the building probably has something to do with it as well. Again, can somebody please give me a single reason as to why MS is town? Other than MS himself?

[Ricastle]

Unfortunately, I only have one completed scumgame on this site, and it's particularly off-the-wall. Here it is anyway.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=62222

[Ricastle]

Again, can somebody please give me a single reason as to why MS is town? Other than MS himself?

And yet again this question goes completely ignored and unanswered. The latter is almost certainly because nobody

can

answer it.

[Ricastle]

I was more referring to the people

not

voting him.

[Ricastle]

I am figuring the game out...I've been saying MS and lane are scum for ages and nothing has happened to change that (and in lane's case, he's completely disappeared, which is pretty terrible considering his previous activity level). Just because I'm not giving the exact reads you want doesn't mean I'm not trying to figure the game out.

If you think there's a relevant exchange I should be commenting on, then by all means, point me to it, because I'm not seeing one.

[Ricastle]

And I just remembered the time.

VOTE: lane0168

Since

apparently

MS is super town and not a viable lynch option...flashwagon, anybody?! Objections welcome!

[Ricastle]

Bettlejuice

See, this is why I'm not posting...nobody has given two shits about anything I've had to say this game.

You, specifically, have done fuck-all to engage with me despite calling me out numerous times thus far, with me responding every time, might I add. Each of those times you've either dismissed or ignored my posts completely without explaining why, and left it at that.

It's actually YOU who has been cutting off these interactions, not me; and yet you have the audacity to rail on me for not trying to figure out the game? Sod off.

[Ricastle]

So at least 2 people knew for sure the daykill thing wouldn't work. Rics attempt at the easy farside thing is the scummiest. After that I think metal and nachos reactions to it are the second scummiest. Both tried to lead us to believe they could pm it to the mod and their reactions seem the weirdest in general imo.

Aside from that I think nacho and ricastle's play is the scummiest.

There was something I didn't like by start. Actually it might have been their reaction to the daykill plan too. Brb

Oh, and as for lane, his vote was opportunistic as fuck while simultaneously lining up lynches. Not giving any reasoning for his vote on me while going on a tangent about Nacho & start also looks really unnatural. The above is the only reasoning he's given for his scumread on me which surmounts to calling my play scummy and giving no explanation as to why.

[Ricastle]

There's a difference between a naked vote and a naked vote in a post attacking other players.

[Ricastle]

Oh look Mainez is scum.

[Ricastle]

I mean, really, it's pretty obvious, reading you over.

[Ricastle]

A generous compilation of Mainez's scummy posts

Spoiler:

So being a libra of unfortunate horoscope meant scum got to pick from the fortunate horoscope.

Meaning scum get a daykill and you're close to confirmed town unless Mainez is also scum?

Sounds good to me.

hmm interesting... how do you know scum got the daykill? i believe farside's description of his unfortunate horoscope meant he got the "opposite alignment empowered" and it says that the scumteam may choose one fortunate horoscope.

So being a libra of unfortunate horoscope meant scum got to pick from the fortunate horoscope.

Meaning scum get a daykill and you're close to confirmed town unless Mainez is also scum?

Sounds good to me.

hmm interesting... how do you know scum got the daykill? i believe farside's description of his unfortunate horoscope meant he got the "opposite alignment empowered" and it says that the scumteam may choose one fortunate horoscope.

If you could choose one of those fortunate horoscopes as scum, what would you choose?

i agree that the daykill is most likely the choice but it's a bit too big of an assumption to assume that scum did choose the daykill.
i just looked at Zodiac Mafia I and the daykill was public apparently. if that applies here too, it would be kind of dumb for scum to take the daykill then cause he/she is pretty much claiming scum. well, unless he/she decides to keep the shot until he/she receives a fortunate horoscope lol.

let me ask the mod.
@Mod is the daykill public?

can you explain how it can be used as a vengekill?

Am I the only Kitty Kat? I forget what I'm compatible with although I know I get along with Libra's, farside

RVS Questions!
1. What about your sign do you know that is true to your personality\outlook?
2. Pick a player you have played with before in the game and describe their town\scum meta
3. What is town's optimal choice if they receive a fortunate horoscope and why?

1) i ripped this off the internet and it seems pretty true, "They can be surprisingly and suddenly witty and subtle for the quiet, reserved individuals they seem to be."
2) haven't played with any of the players here but Metal Sonic is my friend.
3) i don't really know about this but getting the daykill seems fun.

I really doubt that this is actually going to work. I think the mod would have came up with something to avoid the game being broken like this.

i don't get why you're not willing to go along with this, there's essentially no harm because if you do not have the daykill then all is fine.

was looking back at some posts and this caught my attention:

Waiting for the mod will take ages, as I believe they're barely ever on. It'd be much quicker to just target different players.

Daykill: Metal Sonic

Yeah, I see what you mean although we'll still have to wait on the Mod. I just hate the risk of killing a town player obviously.

the second sentence seems to imply that elusive is aware of a certain risk in killing a town player.
firstly, if someone had the daykill, it's either me or scum because i got the fortunate horoscope and scum might have chosen it based on farside's unfortunate horoscope.
so essentially, there is no risk involved for town because scum will wanna kill a town player; obviously there is high risk for scum because that person will be claiming scum should the daykill go through.

i think someone mentioned about elusive adding the word "obviously" at the end, the high modality is kind of over-doing it.
i may be jumping to conclusions but the feeling i'm getting from this post is that elusive has prior-knowledge of the daykill not existing.

i'm probably over-analysing things but
@elusive what kind of risk were you thinking about?

Mainez, I think you said you were over analyzing things. You are. I suggest you find something real to talk about instead of, like lane, trying to drag the game into insipid nonsense. I did answer Lane's questions or found them to be misleading and bad.

OR tell me what town mindset you're asking this question from.

What is the thought process behind it? Where does it lead? To what read does the question help you with and do you usually think that on page 5 of a game where players still aren't sure of the setup spec, there is a reason to over question an theory that was shot down quite quickly? No, tell me and don't BS some easy one size fits all answer - tell me specifically what your goal is through this questioning.

Then, lane and Mainez:

Please link to games where within 9 pages of a game either of you had a solid scum read and got it lynched (and therefore were correct).

Finally, again my Wiki is pretty well built - go and look through some of my games. If you still have questions at that point and they aren't fruitless then go ahead and ask.

Otherwise at this nascent stage in the game, both of you are being really particular in what you're ignoring and what you're focusing on and what you're focusing on is quite irrelevant.

what the actual??????

you post didn't make sense to me. i don't get why there's risk involved in doing the daykill and what PR stuff you were talking. my interpretation was that you were saying that it is more likely for scum to hit a PR with that daykill as opposed to when they use the daykill in the future. this, doesn't make sense to me. like for real. i was trying to understand your train of thought so don't come bullshit with me with this string of questions. i did say i might have been over-analysing things but no, looking at your response, this is not looking like town.

i just got my wiki up, you can refer to it. i only have 3 completed games, all of which were scum.
i'll skim through your games to see if this is how you usually play.

btw, i don't really trust meta. but i'll still skim through your games to see if this is your so-called play style.

what an exchange while i was asleep...
giving my two cents here:

this exchange between elusive and tammy is getting no where, my opinion is that elusive is being very high up and acting like she has caught scum which i honestly, cannot see. there's too much conversation about meta and meta and more meta coming here and there and what not but i suggest everyone take a step back, especially elusive. tammy trying to understand the set-up is no way a scumtell from my point of view. in fact, it's probably just a null. her entrance may be somewhat different but definitely not scummy.

i've yet to take a look at elusive's games to see if this is how he/she plays but this "fight" is stupid.
elusive is not pinging my scumdar hard but i'm with tammy on this.

Actually, you know what, fair enough. Wasn't a remotely confident vote and reading your posts back I'm not seeing what I thought I saw. I'm also not really seeing Tammy scum at the moment unless there's some bombshell evidence I'm overlooking (which tbqh is very possible considering my attention level in this game).

Why don't we all make up and wagon startfromtheheart, eh?

startfromtheheart is joking around too much, i can't seem to read that lol

pedit: looks like someone's here~

What did you expect from him???

it was my way of asking why startfromtheheart is scummy

i am town

friends defend me from ^ please

bad post. why so uncooperative?

but i think sonic is town, his posts haven't looked like scumsonic.

still not liking elusive, but i'm holding my vote for now.

When I read mainez posts I read it in her voice

Her voice sounds like omg how dare you point out I have switched my vote, I'm looking to vote you for doing that.

urm... i was the one who said that i switched my own vote lol so i don't get what you're saying here.

this game is hard.
and you experienced people are scaring me, i'm not even kidding lol because truth to be told, i don't have particularly strong scumreads either.

and people don't seem to be on the same page as me which makes me even more confused.

deadline is approaching really soon and i won't mind changing my vote to marquis if needed, iso is pretty bad too.

I need to reread ric, but mainez reads pretty scummy.
I just don't have time to meta search

i don't know much about meta but i only have 4 completed games, all of which i was scum in all lol facepalm. they're on my wiki if you need them.
i'm kinda learning how to play town lol playing too much scum makes me bad at this, i'm feeling kinda lousy about it too.

so actually i kinda see why you guys may not find me towny enough.

i'm here if you wanna talk and get a better read on me or something

But metal sonic is townreading you and you don't seem very surprised

And I know that seems like a dumb reason and it is

But I can make it sound so good you will die very quickly

why should i be surprised? i'm happy someone is townreading me.
because i swear this game is really hard for me given the playerlist.

(i'm here now)

oh that sucks...

does this happen for both alignments?

idk what else you want from me cause i'm having a hard time with this game.
with the state we are in, i won't mind lynching marquis though. i don't think i wanna lynch sonic (think he's in your lynch pool thing) cause he looks like town so far (lousy town lol)... and if given time, i can probably get a better read on him.

aronis though... ughhhhhhhh

omg SCtH posts are like...

...

i don't even know how to describe them. but it ain't good.

huh?

I mean, really, it's pretty obvious, reading you over.

seriously? so what's pretty obvious?

VOTE: St Constantine the Hermit

who me? i don't even know where my vote stands. but looks like it's L-1.
i'm not feeling too well so i'm going to bed now. i'll be on an hour before the deadline if the day doesn't end by then.

is there anything anyone wants me to address right now before i zonk out or something?

voted already.

should be at L-1.

i need sleep.

[Ricastle]

A non-generous compilation would be her entire ISO bar a couple of posts.

[Ricastle]

Constantine is such a fucking obvious mislynch it isn't even funny. Can we please lynch one of lane or Mainez?

[Ricastle]

Well that's a grand old shame because Constantine isn't dying today.

Try and convince me otherwise.

[Ricastle]

you realize we already have all the votes we need right

See, you don't actually have a case on him. You're just pushing the lynch because it's easy as shit.

Oh look, wagon potential

VOTE: Nacho

[Ricastle]

SPOTS FOR THE NACHO WAGON NOW 50% OFF!!!! LAST MINUTE DEAL!!!! PLACE YOUR VOTE WHILE SPOTS REMAIN

[Ricastle]

I don't know the original price. I'll assume this is Target and so I'll wait 2 weeks for spots to become 70% off.

SPOTS NOW 90% OFF!!!!

[Ricastle]

Nacho's unvote contradicts his previous stance on just getting a lynch done and is purely survivalist. Tammy, please vote him.

[Ricastle]

Survivalist? Are you even reading what you're writing?

Do you think it's reasonable for you to be able to live past D2 with all this pressure on you and a Constantine townflip? Precisely. Backing up on the wagon is the most survivalistic thing you could be doing at this point.

[Ricastle]

No, I'm voting you because you were

vigorously pushing a deadline mislynch

with no case.

[Ricastle]

Yeah, Massive, I am pretty certain.

lol, Nacho pseudo-pushing out of nowhere under pressure. Comical.

[Ricastle]

I would be amazed if anybody still has a townread on Nacho after this.

Pedit: That is a pseudo-push. Analysis that surmounts to "Oh they look scum but also look town" is a complete fucking waste of time and serves purely as a distraction to stall your lynch and drive us into a NL.

[Ricastle]

GROOT is lightefforting

Vote him then...we don't have time for deliberation.

[Ricastle]

Are you shitting me. NOW we vote Mainez? After all this? I don't even.

I'll vote if it is the necessary step to getting a lynch but...god.

[Ricastle]

What a remarkable VC.

[Ricastle]

Those last few pages were absolutely pitiful to read. Dear me...

VOTE: Nacho

elusive's opening here is horrible so I wouldn't be averted to moving there.

Far, why are you conftown? Did I miss something?

[Ricastle]

Ricastle, why are you voting me again?

Same reasons as yesterday. Time to do something town, now! Like, say, voting elusive.

[Ricastle]

Oh honey faking it this early in the morning...already?

Very ironic statement.

My questions about Tammy's flip are:
1. Does this mean this is an all townie game minus the horoscope effects?
2. Who would be stupid enough to think that I would suspect someone all day one and then NK them as scum? Or which scum would think this would be a good strategy to turn suspicion on me?
3. Ricastle, Aronis, and one more is where the scum are. Hermy.

start, you don't choose?

1. This was already ascertained. I don't see why town would need to go over this again.
2. Utter shit WIFOM; this is where you slipped. Defending yourself and lining up lynches based on the flip without precedent shows that this was a blatant stunt.
3. You just named 3 town.

Also, what on earth kind of question is that? It was also ascertained yesterday that the fortunes received were random. The only faction who has gotten to pick their power from the fortunes and reinforce the contrary belief is the Mafia.

? Isn't it MetalSonic and Startfromtheheart?

Also Aronis, you are trying hard to fit a narrative to me which is disturbing. Either you're scum or you're bad town.

I mean the fact that you're trying to decide what I would think or do as town or scum when SON YOU DONT KNOW ME is in itself bizarre.

Aronis brought up a perfectly valid point, and you brush it away because he doesn't know your meta when that's absolutely irrelevant in this scenario. You're trying to enforce the single narrative of what you would do as scum to paint you as solid town because you didn't do that. It's WIFOM 101, bucko.

VOTE: elusive

[Ricastle]

aside from the bad requests for people who got their horoscopes today to claim, how come no one asked me what i got from the fortunate horoscope but is trying to get info out of those who got the horoscopes for today? not sure what it means but interesting to point out.

Yeah, that's what ELUSIVE is doing...and then you go on to defend elusive. Lol.

with tammy's town flip, i'm kinda leaning towards elusive as town because of elusive's tunneling at the start and stuff with so much determination. but i remember that when i played as scum before, i tend to openly posts stuff like "hey what do i do now that my strongest scumread is dead bleah", not that this is what elusive did but something along that line like i think it was natural and towny of elusive to assume that scum was trying to so-called "frame" her. the reaction looked genuine. don't think elusive is the right way to go today.

This is bollocks and I wouldn't be remotely surprised if mainez was elusive's partner. You cite having a similar mindset to the one elusive is displaying here as scum but she's somehow town for it? Why? And natural/genuine is the last thing I would describe her reaction as. It was objectively flat as fuck.

[Ricastle]

Yeah, that's what ELUSIVE is doing...and then you go on to defend elusive. Lol.

Okay, ignore this. I swear this happened but apparently not.

[Ricastle]

>doesn't answer any of my points against her

>calls me dead weight

[Ricastle]

The OMGUS is strong in this game

[Ricastle]

Aronis - tunneling me from early day one, does not take anything else into account. Has no change in reads, seems to be on the popular wagon. Classic scum tactic.

Ricastle - as town is able to make cases, here is not only flailing but misread and confused for me another player and continues to tunnel. Nope this is scum Ric.

Massive - maybe you need to read my sign description, I always think everything is about me. I also have a lot of experience with scum trying to mess with me\tunnel me\frustrate me. Not only that but see thread and reasons for scum reading me lol. The WIFOM douchery is strong with some.

Farside - as town is able to make cases and be logical, here is sheeping the dumbest of the lot lol

Anyone townreading elusive at this point, please stand up.

[Ricastle]

I'll take that as null.

What do you make of this latest display?

[Ricastle]

Meh

VOTE: Nacho

If Nacho flips town we are going there^ immediately tomorrow

[Ricastle]

Why would nacho ask town to vote him at the last moment?

Becaue there were only a couple of minutes left in the day and there was no chance of him getting enough votes to be lynched at that point? Also, there is clear scum motivation in kicking up a distraction and dividing the votes to push us to NL. I don't know what other motivation there could possibly be for fucking around at that stage.

[Ricastle]

Oh, and look who he was removing pressure from; Mainez...this game is becoming clearer by the minute.

[Ricastle]

There were 10 minutes left in the day when I self-voted. There were enough people in thread to get me lynched. Saying "oh there wasn't any way Nacho could get lynched" when I was the person who made myself viable.

I cannot see when the deadline exactly ended now, but one of your posts from right before the deadline stated "there are 10 minutes left. Are you kidding me?" and 7 minutes later you selfvoted...so going by that there were actually roughly 3 minutes remaining. Even if there

were

10 minutes remaining I'm pretty sure not everyone who was on would have voted for you, yet alone within such a short time. I would say it was obvious you wouldn't get lynched there and you know it too.

And this still doesn't explain why you selfvoted in the first place.

Yes. I attempted to bus my scumpartner pre-deadline and then decided I would force town into no lynch by splitting votes between scumwagons.

Which is dumb because...? What, you're going to vote another random player and push them after saying all players other than Mainez looked town earlier?

[Ricastle]

He's not bored. But he believes in every vote like it's the best vote he's ever made and the only vote acceptable in the game, which seems pretty strange (no person alive has an unnatural confidence like that). He also has those beliefs despite not being very engaged, and he has them for really dumb reasons.

Why does the former necessitate confidence?

(the failed attempts by others to interact with him)

These being? To my recollection I responded to every attempt with my best possible answer. As I said before the interactions were all ended by the people that started them.

[Ricastle]

I mean, of course I'm going to treat my most recent vote as the best I've ever made. That's why my vote is there; because I think it's the best place for it to be! That's the same for everyone, surely.

[Ricastle]

Oh, they're in the scumpool, but I'm not pushing them right now; I'm pushing you.

[Ricastle]

Like he hasn't fucking explained his inability to read the game and confusion over attributing a totally different players shitty actions (lane) on me. THen when I confronted his awfulness he DIDNT say or LANE IS A SCUMMY FUCK FOR THE THING I WAS ACCUSING YOU OF BEING A SCUMMY FUCK FOR. Instead he meanders on his shit reads.

What point was this? And I don't recall ever being asked to explain anything by you, so.

VOTE: Ricastle

I will cut you.

Hell no! If I'm to be executed, I want the firing squad, not some shitty-ass guillotine.

[Ricastle]

OMG, like seriously? I have asked you to explain your scum reads. Like, no Ricastle.

I have explained them all...and I ask again: What thing that I made out to be scummy did I attribute to you instead of lane which you called me out on?

[Ricastle]

Ricastle giving up like this? We spent pages in Acopalypse in a town vs. town brawl.

The key difference being I was passionate about that game. At the time I made that post I was not remotely passionate about this game, and at that point, had not contributed much at all. There was nothing to say in my defence on that front.

I am going to make a bet now that Ricastle has no clue why he's voting anyone because he's pretending to be busy in this game by voting people but, unlike all his town games, he has no reasons why and is making up shit. You know Ric as town you can be pretty off the wall but this is a new low for you, scummy boi.

What? I have explained them. I just told you that and there is proof of it in my ISO. Also, why now are you bringing up my initial vote on you (which was far and away my worst vote in the game) as an individual point while ignoring all the rest of my votes?

Town Ricastle is a maniac, he will fight like a mad dog. This is not town Ric.

Correction: I will fight a shit wagon on me. At the end of the day, the reasoning at that time wasn't wrong.

OH and scumreads from Ricastle so far: elusive, metal sonic (who he tunnels for a good long while and then drops at the drop of a...nothing), lane, mainez, nacho, and then back to elusive.

Of course he's asking some people on his scum reads lists to help him vote people he refers to as scum. So Ric what's your read on Metal, Mainez, Lane, me, Nacho right now? Is 5 a bit of a high number of scum?

Then AGAIN he states that if Nacho flips town (which why are you voting him then if you have doubts) we should lynch Lane. Where's the vote on Lane or the case? Or anything connecting these apparently 5 scum reads that Ricastle keeps ricocheting off?

As I said, it's a scumpool. In other words, the group I think the scum is in. Of course I don't think they're all scum...

[Ricastle]

So your reads have not changed at all throughout the entire game?

Have you seen MS doing anything? Lane?

[Ricastle]

Oh, I just saw what 1175 was...how the fuck is that a lie?

Nacho's vote was on Mainez

.

And before you go on about how these responses don't sound impassioned enough or whatever other crap you'd like to come up with next, keep in mind I am responding at 1AM. I'm too tired for that shit.

Now I'm going to sleep.

Pedit: That isn't the point Nacho...

[Ricastle]

Well, it's always nice to have a fan! Would you like my autograph?

[Ricastle]

There's this game called Naughty Bear. U should look it up, bro. What happens to the bears that don't invite Maleficient..I mean Naughty Bear to the party....

Looked it up. 2/5 Metacritic and 3/10 IGN. That's as far as I went.

[Ricastle]

Is there really only two scum in this game?

[Ricastle]

VOTE: Metal Sonic

[Ricastle]

[Ricastle]

Are you kidding me.

No...MS dies today.

[Ricastle]

fine...

VOTE: Nacho

[Ricastle]

L-1

[Ricastle]

Ric I think metal is scum with nacho.
Mainez is also another scum read I'd like to see be pushed day 3

Yeah, I can get behind that line of thought, definitely; it's pretty much entirely consistent with mine.

[Ricastle]

What's proven? Because it had better not be that MS is town because Nacho who, if town, has no idea of anyone else's alignment, said so...

[Ricastle]

Oh, right, you were correcting 'orientation'...that did strike me as weird, lol.

[Ricastle]

Day 3 drama hype!!!

[Ricastle]

[Ricastle]

Can my voters explain the votes on me please?

[Ricastle]

VOTE: Massive

[Ricastle]

Anyone know how Start plays in comparison to Bert? Is this normal?

[Ricastle]

i am observing

Yeah, I'm observing, too. So far I've observed that you need to do something or die!

[Ricastle]

I think that I want to vote you now

VOTE: startfromtheheart

I know, I know, so much for me being helpful this game...to be fair, that 5-day night was a hard blow to my enthusiasm.

[Ricastle]

Eh, I was getting there. All gone now though.

Hey elusive, jsyk, I'm waiting for you to come in here and give me that 1v1 you promised. Would definitely get me to function properly.

[Ricastle]

Alright, so what's the actual substance of the meta case on me? Are there any other points I should be aware of?

[Ricastle]

See, this is why you're going to end up looking like a total fool. I don't think you have any actual points against me. Care to prove me wrong, or are you just going to flap around like a fish out of water?

[Ricastle]

Hey, we're actually on the same page about something! Neat!

[Ricastle]

Zzz

The scumteam is probably Massive & Mainez

If it's MS & Start I am going to be very annoyed

VOTE: Mainez

[Ricastle]

Constantine, have you played with Rampage?

By the way who's Rampage? And what happened to the 1v1?

[Ricastle]

I don't do wagon analysis. Didn't you claim to know my meta?

[Ricastle]

Okay then. I think the responsibility for that lynch weighs on me just as much as Saint though, which is why I got confused.

[Ricastle]

Why is this? Is it because you're townreading them, or because they're barely participating and you're letting them slide?

It's because they're both openly playing in a blatantly scummy manner, and if it turns out that they used that as a WIFOM cover to skate through the game it's going to be highly irritating.

[Ricastle]

VOTE: Massive

Let's see where the freaking teddy bear leads.

People town reading Hermit are whack too.

And you're willingly sheeping a scumread because...?

Start, context is important. WTP was an infinitely more fast-paced and exhilarating game than this one which I put a great amount of effort into, much more so than here, and those posts all came at the climax of an 100-page D1 where my fate was basically sealed. Not to mention that my wagon was being headed by my top scumread who I had been arguing with for roughly half the game. Compare that to the wagon build-up here, where at the time nothing much was happening and I was hardly engaged at all, and well...they're hardly eligible for comparison at all!

[Ricastle]

I'm not usually a superstitious person, quite the opposite actually, but...I have always been interested in the zodiac because of that^. Everything, and I mean everything, about Aquarius is literally me, irl anyway.

[Ricastle]

VOTE: Start

Elusive, good luck getting a wagon on me when you can't even explain why this is my scumgame. Maybe because it isn't?

[Ricastle]

You don't need to be clever to alternate meta. It does so naturally. That's why meta analysis based on basic play does not yield solid tells.

Start & Mainez are my most consistently solid scumreads. Agree? Disagree?

Pedit: Hey, why does Aries get all that? No fair.

[Ricastle]

I don't believe my Mainez case is much different from when I last made it (and yes I made it...somewhat), mainly because she's barely done anything since then which is bad in itself. She also isn't pushing anyone who could feasibly be scum.

Start has been utterly useless and fluffy the entire game, and his play doesn't contain a hint of actual progressive motivation. He also doesn't seem to care about who he sheeps or who his sheep vote moves on to, and those are pretty much the only votes he's ever put down. The

only

thing making me doubt this path is that it seems way too obvious.

(The latter is especially true for MS which is why I haven't been parked on him the entire game)

[Ricastle]

Which time? The one after lane or the one that put him at L-1? Both have pretty much the same answer: I was scumreading him.

I wouldn't be entirely averted to it.

[Ricastle]

Hey, I just had a thought...did scum have daytalk in the last Zodiac? Because if not, that's a good case for scum picking the Neighborizer on D1.

[Ricastle]

We did not.

I'll consider that a mystery solved then.

[Ricastle]

What the heck metal? You vote start, he says vote ricastle, and you listen? How does that make sense?

I honestly see that coming more from wavering town. Although if it does turn out that he's scum playing a VI then it's going to be really fucking annoying.

In other news, I'm sheeping Sala again because that L-1 vote was bloody awful!

VOTE: Mainez

[Ricastle]

Get back on Mainez ffs. You won't be voting within your "confirmed scum block" either way

If it goes to no lynch then I'm replacing out, I can't do any more games where scum win through lurking.

[Ricastle]

She won't flip if she doesn't get lynched

[Ricastle]

MS probably isn't scum and Massive just got a vest or something. Because otherwise he might as well have given up at this point.

[Ricastle]

Was it specifically stated that a roleblock on scum would stop the kill?

[Ricastle]

VOTE: Massive

Well that was a game.

[Ricastle]

I'm honestly confused as to how we won here. It just...happened.

[Ricastle]

Yeah. You could say the stars didn't align with me this game.