Mini 473: Urban Dead Mafia! Barhah! (Over)

[Hjallti]

if it is twilight we have to stop speaking

[Oman]

No we don't you can talk during twighlight until death scene, right?

[Oman]

Oops, this game is different to most I play:

[6] Votes and Unvotes must be in Bold, or else I won't count them. Vote counts will come at the top of each page. A majority is needed to lynch, and you may vote No Lynch. After the lynching vote has been cast, stop all game-related conversation.

Sorry Smashy!

[Smashy]

pulsewidth replaces SirTornado. While that was going on, you people lynched Darko

Darko - 6 - Albert B Rampage, Oman, poffinpuffin, claus, Zodiac, Gatorguy91

Oman - 1 - Hjallti
Albert B Rampage - 1 - darko

Still swaying - 2 -

Sir Tornado

pulsewidth, camisade


Evidently, having a rotting brain makes it hard to post anything past one-liners. Darko was indeed a

Zombie

. The town heads back to their safehouses, confident that they may yet reclaim this suburb.

Night 2! Night Choices due by

Monday

Tuesday 8 PM EST, although if I get them sooner I can start on Sunday.

[Smashy]

You wake up, and after a bit of searching, find out that these zombies decided that the brains were better in a different country....

Ok, that was just a cheap joke about

Oman, civilian

's name. Still doesn't change the fact that he's dead. Another

civilan

is found dead. This one is Gatorguy. He was shot.

Summary

Oman - Civilian - Townie - Brains eaten - Night 1

Gatorguy91 - Civilian - Townie - Shot - Night 1

It is now Day 2! With 7 alive, 4 will be sufficient to lynch!

[Gatorguy91]

Bah, Go town!!!

[pulsewidth]

Wow, just noticed that this finally went into Day 2. I'll do a quick re-read and give my thoughts.

[pulsewidth]

After my re-read, Hjallti stands out as being really defensive of darko, even after it was pretty obvious that he was scum (or just a really unhelpful townie).

people start voting darko for it, which basically means you vote of on playstyle rather then on suspicion.... I didn't see a scumtell from darko (unless buddying and distancing, but he does it as if it is second nature, so I would rather think that is playstyle as well).

You're telling me you didn't see ANY scumtells from darko? Wow. Even after he posted his "blah, blah, blah" rant, you were STILL trying to help the guy by attempting to translate. You kidding me? That post didn't need any translating. You want a translation? "Screw you guys. This game sucks. I'm out." That's about what it amounted to.

Everyone should try to have content twice on a page...Make a summary, ask questions, or answer questions, claim you found a scumtell, give your scumlist, try to recieve reactions (maybe that is what darko intended, but it seems he will get lynched by it)...

If I was voting on darko I would take away the hammer now, but than again I would have done so earlier, because I don't like a hammer so early.

You are trying to way too hard to look townie here by telling people how to play the game. Also, I don't believe your reluctance to put a vote on darko was because you don't like early hammers (once again, trying too hard to appear townie). All the signs were there for darko, but you kept trying to help him out, slow down the lynch under the guise of being pro-town and avoiding the quicklynch. I'm not quite buying it.

Mega FoS: Hjallti

[Oman]

Firstly...Smashy loses 10 points for that pun

Secondly...Bah! Go DEM...I mean Townies!!!

[Claus]

DEM? I don't recognize that group.

I'm sad to see Oman go, and I'm a bit suspicious of Hjaltti defending Darko so intensely, but not enough to point a FoS at her yet.

I'd like to make a question to those more experienced. Assuming we have mafia and a SK (this looks like the most likely setup), what would be the probable number of mafia for a game this size? 4? 3?

[poppinpuffin]

I'm sad to see Oman go, and I'm a bit suspicious of Hjaltti defending Darko so intensely, but not enough to point a FoS at her yet.

Agreed.
Suspicious, but not so suspicious as to warrant anything other than keeping a wary eye on Hjaltti.

This game was in Night forrrrevvvvvveerrrrrrrrrr.

[Hjallti]

I think this behaviour has been really scummy. Given we are with 10 during day 1 and there 25 post each page, you might even of less active players expect they contribute in average once a page some content. If I didn't miss something Zodiac contributed no content, and the only real thing he did was jumping on the wagon against darko, without own explanation. I copied al his post (left out most quotes, and you will see he has really done nothing but that single vote).

vote:Zodiac

Oh.. Hi. I have access for at least monday now, and then i'll be without access for thursday or so. I'll read the thread later today.

Not even a random vote, when people already started to unvote.

Back, but i'll have to read to posts in between , which i must do.

Still no content whatsoever

WELL MAKE SOMETHING HAPPEN

FFS

MAKE WHAT HAPPEN?

(Oman answered to a post of camisade who was also lurking)

If there are not much real scumtells, it means scum is very careful, and might be lurking.

And if people do not get active, we can't find out the scum.

This annoys me very much... He is clearly not posting and then he tries to slip through with finishing my thought. It is like saying 'I am active'.

Uhh... What? Well , you're only spouting oneliners , and that isn't helpful at all , rendering you as a scum, and you know what we do to scum.

Vote: Darko

As if not even spouting oneliners is not scummy. Again he just copies the thoughts of others.

Like this?

Vote : Darko

. My bad.

Not really content, just correcting the mistake in the previous post.

[Hjallti]

After my re-read, Hjallti

stands out

as being really defensive of darko, even after it was pretty obvious that he was scum (

or just a really unhelpful townie

).

I am glad with your phrasing. First of all I have not really defended darko, but until the lynch scene I was really not swaying back and forth between: jester, very bad scum play and really bad town play. I know it is WIFOM, but I really didn't expect someone being scum playing the game he did. In the end I just wanted a bit time to see some questions answered but Gatorguy didn't give us this time. I was surprized to find Gatorguy was town, because he hurted town by his impatience, I believe.

I agree I

stand out

as scummy because I seem to have buddied up with darko, but I just didn't want town to be hurt by another stupid townie just going about with some strange scheme. I've read some games here where town comes bad out of the first day because some townie decided to try something different that game, and that was the impression darko kept giving me, especially with his last blablabla post. I would other scum expect to bus at that point or even at his first long post. But it is WIFOM I guess to claim here I am therefor no scum.

Everyone should try to have content twice on a page... (...)

You are trying to way too hard to look townie here by telling people how to play the game.

Sorry, I am just getting annoyed when nothing happens. The only thing to get from day 1 so far is darko being stupid and a succesfull lynch. We are down to 7 now. Probably some 3 or 4 town. From the lynches a SK and scum, and maybe another neutral (jester, surviver)

[Zodiac]

I agree I

stand out

as scummy because I seem to have buddied up with darko, but

I just didn't want town to be hurt by another stupid townie just going about with some strange scheme.

I've read some games here where town comes bad out of the first day because some townie decided to try something different that game, and that was the impression darko kept giving me, especially with his last blablabla post. I would other scum expect to bus at that point or even at his first long post. But it is WIFOM I guess to claim here I am therefor no scum.

I just think of this now. He did only post oneliners, and you were buddying up with him since you wanted that he wouldn't be lynched since you believed he was scum. Now, why aren't you buddying up with me if you think i'm doing the same as he? Now you're saying i am scummy , while you didn't say Darko was. So , both acted scummy , but you did only buddy up with him. Why?

FoS : Hjallti

[Hjallti]

you wanted that he wouldn't be lynched since you believed he was scum.

? I think you wanted to type something else here, or you are misreading my entire argument. I never believed he was scum, I was always afraid he was stupid town, rather than very stupid scum, what he turned out to be.

I also never activily tried to buddy up, although that might have been the impression I gave. I did want some answers from Claus and GatorGuy at the end, but Gator not only refused to answer my question, he also denied Claus the chance to answer and the question (if Claus wanted this lynch badly), is easy to answer now, while it would have been more subtle before we knew darko's lineup. It even surprized me that GatorGuy wasn't scum. From the way of killing, and the fact that scum=zombie in this game, I gather that he was killed by SK.
He might have believed him scum or he went for the number two on his scum list, leaving the number 1 for the lynch. But that would be mindreading to know.

So , both acted scummy , but you did only buddy up with him. Why?

You two are scummy in a totally different way: darko in plain sight and you in the shadow.
I didn't buddy up with darko, but tried to postpone his lynch. As said before, I was afraid the bad moves of darko were bad town (rather than extremely bad scum). I think your moves (or absence of moves) are scummy as they are trying to mislead town ("please be active", when you didn't do a thing in the game yet).

[Albert B. Rampage]

I don't find Hjallti's analysis genuine. j/k LOL

FoS Hjallti

for defending darko so much.

[Claus]

Also just realised, my third game, and my third game with Gatorguy...Jesus.

This is from the first page. Oh the poetic justice that the two were killed together!!

Next post will be serious, promise.

[Claus]

Hey there!

Hjallti, about your questioning me about the Darko vote, it was really just due to his attitude. If you had pressured me, I would probably end up unvoting. Unfortunately (fortunately?) I had this thesis thing to finish by the 6th (this monday), and was keeping my participation in these forums to a minimum.

But, yeah, it is a moot point today. So let's see something else from you:

Sorry, I am just getting annoyed when nothing happens. The only thing to get from day 1 so far is darko being stupid and a succesfull lynch. We are down to 7 now. Probably some 3 or 4 town. From the lynches a SK and scum, and maybe another neutral (jester, surviver)

This bothers me to no end. Day 1 was not just Darko acting up and we lynching scum: We had Camisade's little silent vote on you. Guess who was the first to jump on her due to that vote?

Also, if we had 3 scum to begin with, and one SK, we are down to 2 scum, 1 SK, and 4 townies. That is less than C9.

So here:

Vote: Hjallti

I do think, sir, that you are scum.

About the other players, Zodiac was indeed lurking to an unconfortable degree on day one, as was Sir Tornado. Camisade would do well to show up today.

[pulsewidth]

Claus, I'm not quite seeing your vote on Hjallti. Earlier, you weren't even willing to put an FoS on him. And now you're voting him because he focused on the major event of Day 1 and didn't mention the minor events? And because he guessed wrong as to the setup of the game? Seems odd going from not willing to put an FoS to voting him for reasons that are less scummy than defending darko.

mFoS: Claus

[camisade]

Claus, I'm not quite seeing your vote on Hjallti. Earlier, you weren't even willing to put an FoS on him. And now you're voting him because he focused on the major event of Day 1 and didn't mention the minor events? And because he guessed wrong as to the setup of the game? Seems odd going from not willing to put an FoS to voting him for reasons that are less scummy than defending darko.

mFoS: Claus

Hjallti seems like scum to me because he's trying very hard to distance himself from Darko.

I'm confused about why you went from Mega FoS: Hjallti to Claus so quickly, because Claus found Hjallti suspicious and you did too?

[pulsewidth]

That's a minor FoS on Claus, camisade. If it was Mega, I would have written it out. The reason I put it out there is because his reasoning for his vote on Hjallti doesn't jibe with me, especially when he wasn't even willing to put an FoS on him earlier before. It's not just his reasons, it's the way he went about it that seems fishy to me.

[poppinpuffin]

But, yeah, it is a moot point today. So let's see something else from you:

Sorry, I am just getting annoyed when nothing happens. The only thing to get from day 1 so far is darko being stupid and a succesfull lynch. We are down to 7 now. Probably some 3 or 4 town. From the lynches a SK and scum, and maybe another neutral (jester, surviver)

This bothers me to no end. Day 1 was not just Darko acting up and we lynching scum: We had Camisade's little silent vote on you. Guess who was the first to jump on her due to that vote?

I may indeed just be misunderstanding what you are saying here, but I don't see how the things you are saying lead to the opinion that Hjallti is scum. You may feel that we didn't just get lucky with Darko making careless mistakes with the blah blah post to top them off, but that we indeed used wit and logic to thwart the scum masterminds, but how does that have anything to do with Hjallti being scum.
I'm not defending Hjallti at the moment, rather looking at your shaky accusations as a way to quickly spin off a successful (or in your case perhaps not successful) lynch and lead the town to another very quick lynch, which is rarely if ever in our best interests.

FoS Claus

Too bad too, cause I was agreeing with your thoughts a while back...

If I have merely misinterpreted your opinions, please clarify.

[Claus]

Claus, I'm not quite seeing your vote on Hjallti. Earlier, you weren't even willing to put an FoS on him. And now you're voting him because he focused on the major event of Day 1 and didn't mention the minor events?

Forget the setup thing, that has nothing to do with my vote (like poppin quotet) - bad formatting of my part, sorry.

Yes, I'm voting Hjallti because he conveniently forgot to add the first few brouhahas in day one. The message I got from him was "Finding out that darko is scum gives us no new info, so forget about it folks".

It felt to me that he wanted to sush conversation about what happened yesterday, so the only link between he and Darko was his defense, which is justifiable. Well, I would like comments on this second link I think I have found - darko quickly voting Camisade for her silent vote on hjallti, followed by him cheering Albert and Poppingpuffing to join his bandwagon.

Am I seeing too much into things?



Also, I voted, instead of FoSing, because I wanted to draw out people to defend/accuse him more actively. Nice to see it worked.

[poppinpuffin]

Yes, I'm voting Hjallti because he conveniently forgot to add the first few brouhahas in day one. The message I got from him was "Finding out that darko is scum gives us no new info, so forget about it folks".

It felt to me that he wanted to sush conversation about what happened yesterday, so the only link between he and Darko was his defense, which is justifiable. Well, I would like comments on this second link I think I have found - darko quickly voting Camisade for her silent vote on hjallti, followed by him cheering Albert and Poppingpuffing to join his bandwagon.

Plausible....

I'll sleep on that idea.

[Hjallti]

Yes, I'm voting Hjallti because he conveniently forgot to add the first few brouhahas in day one. The message I got from him was "Finding out that darko is scum gives us no new info, so forget about it folks".

I don't understand why you didn't say this in your voting mail, which was pretty much crap. Please explain why you didn't say this in the first place!

In fact I do believe that there is not much info to be gather from finding out darko is scum, as opposed to the general fact that knowing the alignment of the lynchee does matter.

First of all darko was playing bad, and we all agree on that. Clearly scumbuddies would see that a bus. So we would assume that the buddies (or the buddy (the game might be balansed with to 2 scum, though unlikely)) of darko should have jumped on the wagon. But then WIFOM comes in: If good players know they are supposed to bus they can refrain from hoping town will look at the wagon alone.

Objectively we have 4 kinds of players with regard to the darko lynch:
the attackers like Claus
the silent wagonners like zodiac
the absentees
and the defender me, Hjallti

where should we look for scum?
Note we have to be careful; we are not even in standard C9, so a mislynch is probably lylo or could even be 2scum 1SK 1town left