Mini 474 - Bergamo Bump-Off (Game Over!)

[Muerrto]

I'm not ready to hammer Khev yet and I'm not big on metagaming but I AM ready to vote Khev. Before he's hammered I want to hear from him, but something he's done I can't really talk about here has me 100% convinced he's scum desperately trying to get me killed. Way too desperate. I'll leave it up to the

MOD

if I can say what he did, I'm sure he's already heard about it.

Unvote, Extreme FoS: Khev

I'm hammering tomorrow unless something changes, although I'd love to hear from him before then.

[Plessiez]

Hmm. Been neglecting this game a bit, I think. I'll try to post more later, but for now I'll just say that I'm really not impressed with Khel (who seems to be looking for reasons to support his pre-existing theories, rather than looking for new evidence, and reacted extremely badly to Nelly's vote). He's not commented on lots of things that have happened in the game, which is always irritating. I'd still like answers to the questions I asked in #200.

I really feel Vampaneze should be getting more attention as well. He's been caught out changing his story on a number of occasions, and yet most people seem to be ignoring him in favour of death_omen/Khel/Muerrto.

And on that note, I'd really like to see some sort of proper case on Muerrto, because I've not yet seen any reason to vote for him beyond "oh, well, he did a good job defending himself against all his accusers, but there are so many people accusing him he surelly

must

be scum". I'd rank the three of them (in order of scumminess) as death_omen, Khel, Muerrto, with Khel and omen definitely nearer the top than Muerrto. I suppose a Muerrto-omen pairing is

possible

, but I've not seen much in favour of it (and no Khel,

TALKING LIKE THIS

doesn't make your case any more convincing ). I'd say an omen-Khel pairing is more plausible at this point, but I'm not convinced that

any

of the three are scum. omen is the only one of them I'd be happy to see lynched at this point.

Still have some misgivings about DeathSauce, which I'm going to try to think about while I reread the thread.

[Vel-Rahn Koon]

10th Vote Count of Day 1

Khelvaster - 3 (Hjallti, vampyrusddg, Nelly632)
Muerrto - 1 (DeathSauce)

Not Voting:

- 8 (death_omen, Khelvaster, Malchonn, Muerrto, Plessiez, SeraphicMirth, somestrangeflea, VampaneseHunter)

7 to Lynch

[Khelvaster]

I'm not ready to hammer Khev yet and I'm not big on metagaming but I AM ready to vote Khev.

Nice OMGUS there. Also, you aren't going to hammer me because I am at lynch -4.

[Khelvaster]

EBWODP:

Muerrto:

If, by suspicious thing, you mean what I said on mini 474, then yes, feel free to vote me for it. I was making a post on 474, confused some stuff, and ended up voting for you in the game which you weren't participating in, then yes, I will freely admit to doing so. It was an accident.

If it wasn't that, then you are lying, and saying "I have some secret, damning evidence which I can't say, but trust me on it" is meaningless.

[Khelvaster]

Plessiez: Vampaneze, DeathSauce and somestrangeflea--none of these people look scummy at all to me. Process of elimination dictates that as neither of these are Muerrto, Nellie, or D_O, there is a very, very low chance they are scum.

[VampanezeHunter]

Ok uum just a point is

this

not Mini 474?

[Muerrto]

EBWODP:

Muerrto:

If, by suspicious thing, you mean what I said on mini 474, then yes, feel free to vote me for it. I was making a post on 474, confused some stuff, and ended up voting for you in the game which you weren't participating in, then yes, I will freely admit to doing so. It was an accident.

Well I was waiting for an ok from the mod before posting about ongoing games, and you should've too but yes. And it's hilarious. And it's kind of damning. And you should definitely link it if the mod lets you.

[Muerrto]

Also any mention of hammering is me being used to newbie games and assuming 4 votes was a hammer. Ignore that but I'm very much ready to vote Khev now since it's NOT a hammer:

Vote: Khev

For his fanatical attacks on me.

[Muerrto]

EBWOP: Also of course for all my earlier listed suspiscions: his attacks on DO, his calls for a speedlynch, etc.

[Khelvaster]

Muerrto, the vote from you is hardly surprising, and I won't fight it, since I am thouroughly convinced you are scum, so any fighting would be worthless.

By the way, I meant Open 31, Yoguraimee mafia. This is, indeed mafia 174.

[somestrangeflea]

By the way, I meant Open 31, Yoguraimee mafia. This is, indeed

mafia 174

.

No, this is Mini 474. Try again, you'll get it eventually!

[Nelly632]

Plessiez: Vampaneze, DeathSauce and somestrangeflea--none of these people look scummy at all to me.

Too me this translates as...
you guys have yet to vote for me so I want you too know that I am not against you so you wont place your vote on me...

You have named 3 names as the people you believe to be scum...

Nelly632
Muerrto
Death Omen

The comment above names 4 people who have not voted for you and because of that you clear them of being scum... What about Vampy & Hjallti? You are not attacking them or clearing them, is this because they have already cast their vote for you and you see no point on bringing them up?

[SeraphicMirth]

Plessiez: Vampaneze, DeathSauce and somestrangeflea--none of these people look scummy at all to me. Process of elimination dictates that as neither of these are Muerrto, Nellie, or D_O, there is a very, very low chance they are scum.

at all

??

Do you have any comments then on things people have pointed out on Vampaneze and why their answers have satisfied you enough to think they aren't suspicious AT ALL? (such as in 207 (VH = Vampaneze),215, 226,and 251..I think there are more but that's just a quick glance through)

[SeraphicMirth]

at all

??

Do you have any comments then on things people have pointed out on Vampaneze and why their answers have satisfied you enough to think they aren't suspicious AT ALL? (such as in 207 (VH = Vampaneze),215, 226,and 251..I think there are more but that's just a quick glance through)

EBWOP: "...Vampaneze and why his answers have satisfied[...]to think he isn't suspicous at all"

I use improper pronouns..it can be confusing who I'm referring to..sorry

[Muerrto]

Muerrto, the vote from you is hardly surprising, and I won't fight it, since I am thouroughly convinced you are scum, so any fighting would be worthless.

Sigh do I have to go back and quote your posts where you no longer suspected me because I was agreeing with you? Do you ALWAYS vote only OMGUS? It's ridiculous. Hey this'll sound familiar.

Vote stands. Try and defend yourself instead of attacking others non-stop.

Careful, I'm feeding you lines

[death_omen]

It seems the town has caught up to you Khelvaster, I thought you were scum every since you randomly changed your mind and attacked me from post subject: 100 onwards.

Vote:Khelvaster

Refusing to fight a vote or not defending youself is very bad.

[Plessiez]

Plessiez: Vampaneze, DeathSauce and somestrangeflea--none of these people look scummy at all to me. Process of elimination dictates that as neither of these are Muerrto, Nellie, or D_O, there is a very, very low chance they are scum.

... o

kay

then.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that you decided that they weren't scummy without troubling to actually read anything they said. You looked and saw they weren't Muerrto or Death_Omen, and they weren't being so crass as to actually vote for you, and that was good enough.

I can't comprehend how anybody can say that VH doens't look at all scummy. That just doesn't make sense to me at all.

I'll repeat: you seem to be playing this game to "prove" you were right about Muerrto and Omen being linked. You're ignoring lots of genuinely odd and suspicious behaviour while trying to find all sorts of weak reasons to support the scum pairing you more or less randomly picked on

on page 2

. This isn't helping the town. Don't you get that?

It seems the town has caught up to you Khelvaster, I thought you were scum every since you randomly changed your mind and attacked me from post subject: 100 onwards.

Um. No, let's not revise history, please. He didn't "randomly" go after you - he pointed out that your reasons for voting Muertto were

really really bad

. His vote for you is one of the few things Khel's done that I'd agree was correct.

[Plessiez]

EBWOP:

Hypocrisy is such an

ugly

word, isn't it? However, I read this:

Refusing to fight a vote or

not defending youself is very bad

.

And I remember #168, where you said...

Im done trying to convince you guys

. You are unpersuadable

... and I think ...

hmm

. Is it bad to refuse to defend yourself if you're Khel, but okay to refuse to defend yourself if you're death_omen?

[somestrangeflea]

Flea Wrote

Loaded question. Kthxbye.

While it might appear to be a loaded question I did revise the question "But what I am saying is are you so sure that he is SCUM that you would put your DAY TWO life on it?"... If this is still loaded in peoples eyes then I will drop the issue...

I'm not sure what you're trying to get at here. You're asking Khelv to bet his Day 2 life on D_O's scumness, and I can't see why a Pro-Town player would ask for this. IMHO, it's the same question as earlier, it's still biased, and it's still rather scummy.

[somestrangeflea]

EDWOP:List of Descending Suspicion:

• Death_omen - for poor defences, and hypocricy/contradiction
• Khelvaster - for attempting to rush the town through the day
• Muerrto - for directing D_O, but this case is weak, as it relies on D_O's scum-ness
• Nelly - minor suspicion for asking for, IMO, irrelevent information

Now, I'm only really interested in, ATM, the top 2 players, and with this, I'm going to re

vote: death_omen

.

[Muerrto]

It seems the town has caught up to you Khelvaster, I thought you were scum every since you randomly changed your mind and attacked me from post subject: 100 onwards.

Vote:Khelvaster

Refusing to fight a vote or not defending youself is very bad.

GAH! Right after I remove my vote and vote for Khev you post this and my fingers want to creep back and switch again. This post is so scummy it's insane. I'm waiting for some defense from Khev, that's why my vote is there. But I have no clue which one of you is worse at this point.

[Khelvaster]

Plessiez: Vampaneze, DeathSauce and somestrangeflea--none of these people look scummy at all to me. Process of elimination dictates that as neither of these are Muerrto, Nellie, or D_O, there is a very, very low chance they are scum.

Do you have any comments then on things people have pointed out on Vampaneze and why their answers have satisfied you enough to think they aren't suspicious AT ALL? (such as in 207 (VH = Vampaneze),215, 226,and 251..I think there are more but that's just a quick glance through)

Well, process of elimination dictates that Vampaneze isn't scum if the three people I really think are scum are. If D_O turns out to be a frameup but Muerrto and Nellie are scum, I would definitely take a good look at Vampaneze.

[Khelvaster]

Sigh do I have to go back and quote your posts where you no longer suspected me because I was agreeing with you? Do you ALWAYS vote only OMGUS? It's ridiculous. Hey this'll sound familiar.

Vote stands. Try and defend yourself instead of attacking others non-stop.

Careful, I'm feeding you lines

Yeah, Muerrto. I can't defend myself because, as scum, there is no possible way you are changing your vote. Your case against me was that I am pushing incredibly hard to get Death_Omen lynched. I don't think I really have a defence, seeing as I was really trying to get him lynched based off of my suspicions. If you think that's scummy, I can't change your mind.

[Khelvaster]

Sorry for the triple post:

It seems that Death_Omen once against proved his massive stupidity. You guys keep getting scummier and scummier...Death Omen's vote on me...I don't even need to explain how

Refusing to fight a vote or not defending youself is very bad.

coming from D_O is wrong...Seriously. There is no way I can justify not lynching him today, not even if Nellie or Muerrto claimed scum.

Vote: D_O