Open 37 - Crush Nightless (Game Over) before 477

[JDodge]

Vote Count:

Ms Piggy- 4 (distad, pickemgenius, mneme, Battle Mage)
mneme- 1 (Ms Piggy)

Not voting (1): Qman

4 to lynch.

The town decides to get rid of Ms Piggy after all. They decide to do so by roasting over an open fire. Mmmmm, pork. Unfortunately, she was a moist and delicious

townie

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DAY 2, 5 ALIVE, 3 TO LYNCH

[distad]

Holy swing and a miss!

I am quite baffled.

[pickemgenius]

Me too.


That was just suspect townie play.

[distad]

Okay.... that REALLY sucks.

No more random voting. A mis-vote could lead to a mafia quick-lynch and game over.

So...

1 GF
1 Goon
1 Lyncher
1 Target (pro-town)
1 Townie

LOS:
1) Battle Mage (I'm sure most of you have me up here also, though)
2) Qman (Cpt. Lurker, just sitting there, watching us tie her up)
3) Mneme (the "pro-town" point was brought up by my #1 subject... admitted lurking in 54 and then came through with some veiled logic)
4) Pick-em (nothing since 57, a quick one-line retort after Piggy's OMGUS vote).

[distad]

EBWOP: Although, there he is, right on top of the most recent vote................................

[pickemgenius]

There is no doubt in my mind I am the lynchers target.


I'll say that Qman is the lyncher, because he wasn't on the townie BW.

And

It makes sense for him not to be on any wagons except his targets.


BM+Mneme scum?

Distad in a close third, and not forgotten though..



Just spouting off ideas.

[Qman]

LOS:
2) Qman (Cpt. Lurker, just sitting there, watching us tie her up)

I coulda sworn I said lynching Piggy was a bad idea today. Or am I just not remembering my post from earlier today correctly? I stated my opinion and YOU chose to string her up, not me, and I'm to blame? ...

Okay....

FoS Distad

[Qman]

I'll say that Qman is the lyncher, because he wasn't on the townie BW.

And

It makes sense for him not to be on any wagons except his targets.

Understanding you are just putting out ideas, saying I'm the lyncher just because I didn't take part if a mis-lynch is WIFOM.

[pickemgenius]

I'll say that Qman is the lyncher, because he wasn't on the townie BW.

And

It makes sense for him not to be on any wagons except his targets.

Understanding you are just putting out ideas, saying I'm the lyncher just because I didn't take part if a mis-lynch is WIFOM.

Yeah... I know...

So like, you don't deny it?

[Qman]

I'll say that Qman is the lyncher, because he wasn't on the townie BW.

And

It makes sense for him not to be on any wagons except his targets.

Understanding you are just putting out ideas, saying I'm the lyncher just because I didn't take part if a mis-lynch is WIFOM.

Yeah... I know...

So like, you don't deny it?

Would you believe me if I did? If I am the lyncher, I wouldn't admit I was. If I'm not the lyncher.... well, same thing. It's a loaded question (Logical fallacy) , and therefore not answerable without damning myself.

[pickemgenius]

I'll say that Qman is the lyncher, because he wasn't on the townie BW.

And

It makes sense for him not to be on any wagons except his targets.

Understanding you are just putting out ideas, saying I'm the lyncher just because I didn't take part if a mis-lynch is WIFOM.

Yeah... I know...

So like, you don't deny it?

Would you believe me if I did? If I am the lyncher, I wouldn't admit I was. If I'm not the lyncher.... well, same thing. It's a loaded question (Logical fallacy) , and therefore not answerable without damning myself.

Yes I probably would. We really can't lynch the lyncher today.

So like... you still don't deny it.

The question isn't loaded.
It's barely a fucking a fucking question.
Yes or No, you have to fucking options to choose from.

[Battle Mage]

I don't think it really matters. We can't kill the Lyncher today anyway, as that means the mafia win by default. Just out of interest, what makes you think you are the lyncher target?

BM

I'll say that Qman is the lyncher, because he wasn't on the townie BW.

And

It makes sense for him not to be on any wagons except his targets.

Understanding you are just putting out ideas, saying I'm the lyncher just because I didn't take part if a mis-lynch is WIFOM.

Yeah... I know...

So like, you don't deny it?

[Battle Mage]

Okay.... that REALLY sucks.

No more random voting. A mis-vote could lead to a mafia quick-lynch and game over.

So...

1 GF
1 Goon
1 Lyncher
1 Target (pro-town)
1 Townie

LOS:
1) Battle Mage (I'm sure most of you have me up here also, though)
2) Qman (Cpt. Lurker, just sitting there, watching us tie her up)
3) Mneme (the "pro-town" point was brought up by my #1 subject... admitted lurking in 54 and then came through with some veiled logic)
4) Pick-em (nothing since 57, a quick one-line retort after Piggy's OMGUS vote).

you haven't really explained why i am at the top of your LoS.

My LoS looks a bit like this atm:

1. Mneme-Ms Piggy coming up town doesnt really allay my suspicions of him. Rather it seems like an opportunistic scum move. Probable Scum
2. Pickem-Hasn't really done or said anything suspicious, up until this discussion between him and QMan about the Lyncher. Was on the Piggy wagon. Neutral
3. Distad-Basically, i'm just getting a strong protown vibe from him. I do feel a bit gutted that i was led into voting Piggy yesterday, but Distad's comments have made a whole lot of sense so far. Probably Town
4. QMan- Personally, i find it nigh on impossible for a member of the Mafia to avoid taking part in a mislynch in this setup. There's no real reason why he wouldn't have hammered sooner, as there was clearer justification for doing so. Probably Town.

BM

[distad]

BM- It's for the same reasons that others will have me at the top of their list. I don't think that I led you into voting for her. I think we were walking hand-in-hand down that road and unfortunately we were wrong. Because we were wrong, I had to put you up at the top.

One reason that Q-man would not have hammered is if he was the GF. It would point too big of a FOS at him, and if the GF dies, mafia loses. He knew that we would eventually get to it ourselves and it wasn't worth the extra risk.

[mneme]

Bah. I was hoping Piggy was scum -- or at least the lyncher (which would have helped us a lot, giving us an innocent and much higher odds of finding the GF/goon today).

As it is, yes, finding the lyncher is only useful in terms of trying to figure out who his or her target is (the target must be innocent).

Pickem, why do you believe you are the target?

Re my bringing piggy to -1 ...well, you have to do it to someone eventually, you know.

More later -- must go to a work meeting.

[Battle Mage]

Bah. I was hoping Piggy was scum -- or at least the lyncher (which would have helped us a lot, giving us an innocent and much higher odds of finding the GF/goon today).

As it is, yes, finding the lyncher is only useful in terms of trying to figure out who his or her target is (the target must be innocent).

Pickem, why do you believe you are the target?

Re my bringing piggy to -1 ...well, you have to do it to someone eventually, you know.

More later -- must go to a work meeting.

I don't understand this. How would finding the lyncher, give us a confirmed innocent?

@Distad-you are probably right-we both share the blame in lynching Piggy, but i dont think that means that those already on the wagon, should not take some blame too. The only person who it doesnt reflect badly on is QMan.
Speaking of QMan, i think you have a point. I know he is a very capable player as scum, and he often stays quiet-something he has done successfully here. He should still be considered a suspect today, however imo, he's the most protown looking player here.

[mneme]

As it is, yes, finding the lyncher is only useful in terms of trying to figure out who his or her target is (the target must be innocent).

I don't understand this. How would finding the lyncher, give us a confirmed innocent? :?

Er... see above.

If we identify both the lyncher and the lyncher's target, then we know two players that are -not- the GF nor the goon (and have much better odds on picking the GF/goon from the remaining players).

The only person who it doesnt reflect badly on is QMan.

It's no credit, in an info-less game, to avoid an innocent lynch. It may reflect good intentions, but it may also reflect prior knowledge.

Q-Man might be a goon or GF (in which case, the lyncher was masking by joining the Piggy lynch). Or he might be the lyncher, avoiding a lynch which didn't help him win (which would mean both mafia were on the piggy lynch).

Or he's town, of course.

[Battle Mage]

no, i meant the bit where you said that you had hoped Piggy was the Lyncher.

As it is, yes, finding the lyncher is only useful in terms of trying to figure out who his or her target is (the target must be innocent).

I don't understand this. How would finding the lyncher, give us a confirmed innocent?

Er... see above.

If we identify both the lyncher and the lyncher's target, then we know two players that are -not- the GF nor the goon (and have much better odds on picking the GF/goon from the remaining players).

The only person who it doesnt reflect badly on is QMan.

It's no credit, in an info-less game, to avoid an innocent lynch. It may reflect good intentions, but it may also reflect prior knowledge.

Q-Man might be a goon or GF (in which case, the lyncher was masking by joining the Piggy lynch). Or he might be the lyncher, avoiding a lynch which didn't help him win (which would mean both mafia were on the piggy lynch).

Or he's town, of course.

[distad]

FoS mneme

-- we all hoped Piggy was scum, or at least the lyncher.

And Q-man... saying that lynching Piggy is a bad idea could very much be a scummy move. You (if scum) would know that she wasn't scum and are afraid that she's the target.

I'm starting to lean toward Q (GF) and mneme (G). I really don't have an opinion of BM or PickEm as the lyncher, though. Even though Piggy's gone, I still think that I'm the top choice for target -- I went to -1 quickly on page 1 and I think that the lyncher is one of those voters... (Amusingly, I just checked to see who they were... BM, PE, and Piggy!)

[pickemgenius]

Just out of interest, what makes you think you are the lyncher target?

BM

Pickem, why do you believe you are the target?

-strictly gut feeling...a really strong gut feeling.

[Qman]

And Q-man... saying that lynching Piggy is a bad idea could very much be a scummy move. You (if scum) would know that she wasn't scum and are afraid that she's the target.

So let me get this straight, you are attempting to damn me for saying that lynching someone that ended up town was a bad idea?

Either I'm sitting here watching you string her up or I'm only saying don't lynch her because i'm scum. As you have said I have done both, which is impossible, which one is it really?

[Qman]

I'll say that Qman is the lyncher, because he wasn't on the townie BW.

And

It makes sense for him not to be on any wagons except his targets.

Understanding you are just putting out ideas, saying I'm the lyncher just because I didn't take part if a mis-lynch is WIFOM.

Yeah... I know...

So like, you don't deny it?

Would you believe me if I did? If I am the lyncher, I wouldn't admit I was. If I'm not the lyncher.... well, same thing. It's a loaded question (Logical fallacy) , and therefore not answerable without damning myself.

Yes I probably would. We really can't lynch the lyncher today.

So like... you still don't deny it.

The question isn't loaded.
It's barely a fucking a fucking question.
Yes or No, you have to fucking options to choose from.

I refuse to answer any question in which the asker feels compelled to swear. Sorry.

[pickemgenius]

I'll say that Qman is the lyncher, because he wasn't on the townie BW.

And

It makes sense for him not to be on any wagons except his targets.

Understanding you are just putting out ideas, saying I'm the lyncher just because I didn't take part if a mis-lynch is WIFOM.

Yeah... I know...

So like, you don't deny it?

Would you believe me if I did? If I am the lyncher, I wouldn't admit I was. If I'm not the lyncher.... well, same thing. It's a loaded question (Logical fallacy) , and therefore not answerable without damning myself.

Yes I probably would. We really can't lynch the lyncher today.

So like... you still don't deny it.

The question isn't loaded.
It's barely a fucking a fucking question.
Yes or No, you have to fucking options to choose from.

I refuse to answer any question in which the asker feels compelled to swear. Sorry.

Fine then confirmation through silence works also...

[Battle Mage]

i really dislike this discussion between QMan and Pickem. It almost seems that Pickem is trying to get both QMan and himself security for today (as lyncher, and target). I'm also not buying your explanation for thinking you are the lyncher target. I reckon thats just what you want people to believe, so you don't get lynched today.

FoS: Pickem

[pickemgenius]

I'm also not buying your explanation for thinking you are the lyncher target.

I never said you had too.

Strong gut feeling by me is just that. Gut...