Mini 458 - Game over!

[Tarhalindur]

Why don't you look up the other game I was cop in?

Wait a minute, are you claiming cop?

Fishing, anyone?

Unvote, Vote: Num7

[Tarhalindur]

EBWOP: I'm still uneasy about Kate (as I see it, she played somewhat differently in Newb 341 than she did in Newb 399), but rolefishing > (apparently) scummy playstyle.

FoS: Kate

[Kate]

Why don't you look up the other game I was cop in?

Wait a minute, are you claiming cop?

jesus christ....I hope she didnt just claim cop in Day 1 on accident..

I think this too might be a slip up....

No I didn't, that was an example of me being town.

EBWOP: I'm still uneasy about Kate (as I see it, she played somewhat differently in Newb 341 than she did in Newb 399), but rolefishing > (apparently) scummy playstyle. FoS: Kate

rolefishing? when was I rolefishing?

Vote:Tar

for coming the whole stupid thing of why he thinks I'm scum, and for accusing me of rolefishing.

[curiouskarmadog]

rolefishing? when was I rolefishing?

Vote:Tar

for coming the whole stupid thing of why he thinks I'm scum, and for accusing me of rolefishing.

I dont think he thinks you are rolefishing...I think he thinks Num77 is.

[Numenorean7]

Fishing, anyone?

So I was just supposed to ignore it?

[ThAdmiral]

I think kate was just saying she always plays, or at least always tries to play, the same; if she is cop, scum, town or doctor or serial killer or whatever else.
Whether this is true or not is another issue, but I don't think such a big case can be made around a wording slip-up (MoS).
Nor do I see how you could possibly think she was claiming cop, num, when you seemed to understand what she was saying, or trying to say, the first time round. (Hopefully you won't be too devastated by this, but you just slipped out of my top three)

[Mastermind of Sin]

I think Num7's apparent lack of understanding the second time around is just another mark that he's scum who answered for her the first time but took the first opportunity to try and get in our good graces by jumping on her for a similar action.

[Adel]

I think Num7's apparent lack of understanding the second time around is just another mark that he's scum who answered for her the first time but took the first opportunity to try and get in our good graces by jumping on her for a similar action.

I'm listening, but I am not yet convinced. Could you expand on this post for me?

[Mastermind of Sin]

That's what I thought when I first saw her post, but I think what she's saying makes sense. Let me paraphrase:

"Suppose my playstyle was different as scum than as town. In that case, another player could look at a game where I was pro-town (like this one), see that my playstyle here is different from my playstyle in another game (like 399), and conclude I am scum in that game."

I think it was just awkward wording, not a slip-up.

Why don't you look up the other game I was cop in?

Wait a minute, are you claiming cop?

The first post is the one where he answers for Kate and defends her. This second post has a different tone and feels like the start of an attack. If Num7 could understand what she was saying in her first post (which was far more obscure than the second one), I don't see why he wouldn't have understood what she was saying in the second post, instead asking if she was claiming cop.

[curiouskarmadog]

Mod

can we get a vote count, please..

game is starting to slow down, or is it just me?

still contemplating Adel's removal of a vote...still think she is scummy...where there any other reasons Adel, that you removed your vote, other than not liking Dylan and Num as voting partners, does that mean you feel like they are scum now? You dont think MoS is scummy?

looks like Num’s turn on the wagon..or is it Kate's?

so confused at this point, and dread another reread..next reread I am taking extensive notes...

Tar, you never answered my question from post 900.

[curiouskarmadog]

were=where

[Mastermind of Sin]

Obviously, the game is slowing down so we can hit a lynch one post 1000 =P

[Mastermind of Sin]

EBWOP: *on post 1000

[Numenorean7]

The first post is the one where he answers for Kate and defends her. This second post has a different tone and feels like the start of an attack. If Num7 could understand what she was saying in her first post (which was far more obscure than the second one), I don't see why he wouldn't have understood what she was saying in the second post, instead asking if she was claiming cop.

The difference was, in the first post she didn't actually say that she was scum. In the second one, she did actually say she was cop. It wasn't what she meant, but it is what she said.

[Per]

I'm setting a deadline at

Tuesday 7 August, 20:00 CET

(18:00 GMT, in America that would mean somewhere around noon, I guess; this is about 3 hours less than a week from this post).

Deadline conditions:

- The player with the most votes at the deadline is lynched
- If two players have an equal amount of votes at the deadline, the one who reached this amount first is lynched
- If someone reaches 7 votes before the deadline, he gets lynched immediately

Vote Count

Numenorean7: 2 (Mastermind of Sin, Tarhalindur)
Mastermind of Sin: 1 (dylan41985)
Adel: 1 (curiouskarmadog)
dylan41985: 1 (ThAdmiral)
curiouskarmadog: 1 (Crub)
ThAdmiral: 1 (Numenorean7)
Tarhalindur: 1 (Kate)

Not voting: 4 (Adel, molestargazer, NabakovNabakov, pickemgenius)

With 12 alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch before the deadline.

[curiouskarmadog]

guess it will start getting interesting (again) now...

been awhile since we have heard from Dylan and pick..

when does NabNab get back?

[Numenorean7]

NabNab should be back tomorrow.

[Mastermind of Sin]

The first post is the one where he answers for Kate and defends her. This second post has a different tone and feels like the start of an attack. If Num7 could understand what she was saying in her first post (which was far more obscure than the second one), I don't see why he wouldn't have understood what she was saying in the second post, instead asking if she was claiming cop.

The difference was, in the first post she didn't actually say that she was scum. In the second one, she did actually say she was cop. It wasn't what she meant, but it is what she said.

Then why was it that you could understand what she meant in the first post, but you had to question what she

said

in the second post? Are you saying you understood what she meant but decided to question what she said anyways?

[Numenorean7]

I didn't think it was likely she was claiming cop, and I wanted her to clarify.

[Adel]

game is starting to slow down, or is it just me?

still contemplating Adel's removal of a vote...still think she is scummy...where there any other reasons Adel, that you removed your vote, other than not liking Dylan and Num as voting partners, does that mean you feel like they are scum now? You dont think MoS is scummy?

My last reread was inconclusive, but made me realize that I

don't

have a strong case against MoS. I think ckd may be more scummy, and Num7 has said some

really

scummy things in his last six posts or so. I don't put much stock in late day sudden scumminess though. Out of 30-some pages three are really scummy- MoS would obviously disagree on this point but that is the number of posts that I think are scummy. I don't understand the case against Kate. Is it a sincere case?

I also took a hard look at my track record of voting for scum on day 1 (never have) and i took into consideration how much time i have for Mafia right now. I think it would be

anti-town

of me to put a lot of thought into my vote. I'd rather vote at the last minute, and base my vote on intuition alone, but I'm probably better off just doing it now.

vote: Curiouskarmedog

I'll only unvote him if he claims. There isn't a wagon on him, and I don't expect him to become a realistic candidate for lynch. I am not asking him to claim- there is no danger of him getting lynched. I do think he is scum though, more than I think Num7 or MoS is. I would vote no-lynch if that wasn't so anti-town in the grander scheme of things.

I unvoted MoS because there was a realistic chance that he is town or even a power role, and he was in danger of getting lynched. Now I still think he is a little scummy, but I think ckd is scummier. Also, I don't think I'm a person that other people should be listening to late on a day 1.

I have no business leading a wagon this late in a day 1.

[Crub]

You forgot to mention that the cow is never wrong in your reasoning

[Mastermind of Sin]

Wow. Is anyone else getting the feeling that Adel's last post is an attempt to protect Num7 from lynch without specifically saying you think he is town by essentially picking someone that you "feel" is scummier to avoid his wagon? The fact that Adel is voting someone she has no confidence will be lynched has me even more suspicious. I don't see how it could possibly be anti-town to put a lot of thought into your vote, but this statement effectively allows you to vote for CKD without

any

reason for it other than "intuition".

I'm also concerned that Adel would imply that I am a power role. There is no logical reason to separate townie and power role, where she could have said "there was a realistic chance that he is protown, and he was in danger of getting lynched."

Just when I thought I was less suspicious of Adel, and post like this comes along...argh! Stop making me have to choose

[curiouskarmadog]

Jesus when I deadline pops up, Adel and Crub go back to voting with each other. Adel, your post is the biggest load of crap I think I have read in the last 30 pages. If this doesn’t scream scum, then I am not sure what will. This was full of crap logic, contradictions, and just plan manure.

I am not even sure where to start.

vote: Curiouskarmedog

I'll only unvote him if he claims. There isn't a wagon on him, and I don't expect him to become a realistic candidate for lynch. I am not asking him to claim- there is no danger of him getting lynched.

this really pisses me off on many different levels.

1- I have never seen ANYONE threaten to not remove a vote unless someone claims and then say I am not asking him to claim i nthe same post.

2- Is this rolefishing? Tell me Adel, how would knowing my role right now help the town AT ALL? How would knowing my role help mafia? Oh yeah, for a f-ing NK. You are scum and I completely certain now. Why else would you want to know my role? I remember a.

Post 651

unvote: ThAdmiral vote:Master of Sin

for power role hunting.

It is ok for you to fish, but not MoS? Isnt that why he got this vote?

3- No wagon huh? Well, doing a quick check, I am tied for the lead?

I also took a hard look at my track record of voting for scum on day 1 (never have) and i took into consideration how much time i have for Mafia right now. I think it would be

anti-town

of me to put a lot of thought into my vote. I'd rather vote at the last minute, and base my vote on intuition alone, but I'm probably better off just doing it now. .

SO what you are saying is that you cant seem to track down scum, that it would be anti-town for you to place your vote with thought. But it IS NOT anti-town to just put your vote anywhere. Why do you think I am scum? Havent you given that some thought? Wait, no that would be anti-town.

I would vote no-lynch if that wasn't so anti-town in the grander scheme of things. .

Why do you have to vote at all if you are so unsure in your ability to find scum Day 1? I think you hope that I will be lynched, then you can fall back on this piece of crap as a defense. No one will buy this Adel, jesus, I hope the town is smarter than that. This is your attempt to place a vote without having any guilt..I am calling you out...

I have no business leading a wagon this late in a day 1.

being that your vote has official put me (tied) in the lead, you are leading the wagon. One day I hope you will post something with that crystalline logic that you have eluded too. I think I even remember a post that you said you didn’t want to address my accusations before (pages back)because you were certain I was town, and you didn’t want to get me lynched.

I think you just said that to get me off your back, because I was hitting close to home. You are a liar, hypocrite, and a horrid manipulator...the town will not buy it. I think everyone who has not reviewed Adel plays should.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Oh yea, I forgot about the whole hypocrisy on blatant rolefishing thing.

Unvote, vote: Adel

That pushes her ahead of Num7 atm. Although, if she comes up scum, I'm nearly certain Num7 will be scum as well.

[NabakovNabakov]

Fishing, anyone?

So I was just supposed to ignore it?

Yes. We've been over this before.


When it comes down to it, MoS has a very good point when he notes Num's inconsitencies in regards to Kate. She makes an unclear post that pulls all kinds of suspcion down on her head, and he tries to clarify it (and I'm not even sure if I buy their combined arguments. At best, its an "I'm always scummy" defense). Then she makes another post which I found much clearer, and he completely misinterperts and muddies it in addition to role-fishing.

However, I'm still not postive why Num's behavior towards Kate means he's scum if we don't have any case on Kate besides what

may

have been a slip-up and general unpleasantness. That being said, the fact that there has been no major wagon on Kate to date does seem odd, and if only for the sake of adding pressure:

Vote: Kate

Let me preface this next bit by saying I'm in a

lot

of games with Adel, and her claim of never having lynched scum D1 is completely genuine. Since she has come to that realization, I have seen her ease up in all the games she's playing, and that was good. However, she quickly found that easing up just let the games drag on and on (all our games together are still in D1). Now this seems like she's attempting to put a new strategy into effect, giving up. And while I implore her to reconsider, I'm not sure if I find this new tack to be incredibly scummy.
(Please keep in mind that all opinions stated above come from shakey, spur-of-the-moment meta-gaming)

I'd like to re-read the older backlog (Crub v. CKD) again before commenting, but I will.