Open 596: Mega PopCorn Mafia - Over

[Heartless]

lucky's an ok shot. kind of high risk b/c if he's town (yikes), but i would be ok w/ it
pn is a GREAT shot
jeanne's also an ok shot and probably the one i'd take if i had the gun.

[MaxwellPuckett]

Okay Um.

RedCoyote is accusing you of being scum. So they are picking apart your behaviour in order to show why they are scumreading you/provide more evidence to that fact.

He's not poking you with a stick to get you to growl, and he's certainly not being a dick.


But I'll put that aside for a sec, because you really need to calm down. tth, or Antihero I... look I know one of you is the one that doesn't use capitals and I could read up a bit to remember which one that is but I don't care enough.

The phrase "stupid-ass righteous indignation" is interesting though. The fact that you think RedCoyote can have 'righteous indignation" implies that you don't think he's scum.

EDIT: Okay it looks like the majority of this post doesn't really apply now, I guess you're calm enough. That raging was kinda bleh though.

[Perpetual Nonsense]

WE are torn by what Heartless is saying about US being a good shot.
On one hand, WE get the gun.
On the other, Nacho dies.

On another note, WE agree with Max's about Heartless's push to get RC shot.
It feels odd. the "win-win-win-win" post doesn't sit well.

[Jeanne11]

^I say what he said

[julienvonwolfe]

Sorry guys, busy weekend, catching up now

[VictorDeAngelo]

Actually, can we shoot Jeanne, she has been ridiculously lurky this game.

[julienvonwolfe]

Okay, Nacho's 464 makes a lot of sense to me. I think I like Red after all. Victor's definitely worth a shot; I missed how his 'unless I get shot' post could be a slip.

UNVOTE: Wanderer

VOTE: Victor

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Regarding Lucky's post 473: Jesus.

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Comment on Lucky getting shot after the weekend. Do you agree with this shot?

Sure, though I prefer Victor just now.

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Other referenda:

1.1 (Vonflare): Okay with a Vonflare shot. I had a vague sense initially that the criticism was undeserved but he has flown under the radar since.
1.1 (CB): Not okay with a CB shot.
1.3,4 (Wanderer): Okay with a wanderer shot.

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Jeanne either needs to play properly or replace out.

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Eh. I'm kind of done right now. The referendum mechanic is okay but isn't really a substitute for the usual analysing of votes. I realise this post is a bit insubstantial but am running out of steam a bit.

[VictorDeAngelo]

@Julienvonwolfe

- So instead of trying to justify your Wanderer scumread your just going to sheep Nacho. That's weaksauce.

I can back a Julien shot as well at this point.

[Heartless]

Okay Um.

RedCoyote is accusing you of being scum. So they are picking apart your behaviour in order to show why they are scumreading you/provide more evidence to that fact.

He's not poking you with a stick to get you to growl, and he's certainly not being a dick.


But I'll put that aside for a sec, because you really need to calm down. tth, or Antihero I... look I know one of you is the one that doesn't use capitals and I could read up a bit to remember which one that is but I don't care enough.

The phrase "stupid-ass righteous indignation" is interesting though. The fact that you think RedCoyote can have 'righteous indignation" implies that you don't think he's scum.

no.

acting like he knows me and then scum reading me for my personality and idiosyncrasies is a dick move. and little cute comments like "it's stressful being scum" are certainly only to poke in the eye. don't act like this is legit scumhunting because it's not.

also, someone can be righteously indignant about hating hydras and still be scum. what you're talking about is a "scum lie about everything fallacy"

[Wanderer-nl]

Apathy has struck. I request a shot very soon.

[CB]

466 YEA(Scum), NAW(Town), NAW(Town), NAW(Town)

Comment on Lucky getting shot after the weekend. Do you agree with this shot?

I will preface this with saying I have never played with him before so I do not know his meta. He seems kind of trolly to me this game. I have a hard time reading people like that since they are not very emotionally invested into the game. I would not make that shot because it seems risky to me. Also I feel like there is a pretty good chance of a replacement for him some time in the future. People who play like him usually do.

Sorry, my mind was kind of muddled in the morning when I was writing that, so I didn't quite say what I wanted to say.
What I wanted to say is that I feel scum in general will have a very strong tendency to lurk because 1) if they are goons, it is very very difficult for them to have any significant effect on the gamestate, and 2) if they are vengefuls, it is VERY VERY important for them to play well and there's not a very good chance of them winning meaning they might lurk out the game thanks to nervousness or hopelessness. For this reason, I think we should be pretty aggressive in shooting lurkers. There is a worry they won't be good gunbearers, yes, but that's what things such as the referendum system (keeping main suspicion in a very easy and readable format) and universal townreads taking a large hand in influencing shots (once they're referendum voted in) is for. Do you agree with that?

I feel like this game has a lot of reason for town to lurk as well. It is very town sided setup so not much effort is required to win so town is going to be lazy. I kind of feel as town we could RNG our shots and have a good chance of winning. Also some town may have joined just to become a gunbearer and not actually play the game of mafia.

I like this brutal honesty. This is kind of a "no duh" thing, but I like how it flys in the face of all the great planners. As good of intentions as players like Nacho and CB have, they are necessarily dragging some of us kicking and screaming (metaphorically) through this phase of the game. At least speaking for myself, but I assume enomis would agree.

Actually this post gives me townvibes on enomis. I would like to see what CB has to say about it given his earlier scumread.

I don't think anyone was recommending that we do a voting system where the gunbearer does not get the right to shoot. Naturally the confirmed town should always lead the shot. I just think people wanted to force interactions of mafia just like in a normal game where mafia have to decide whether or not to join a wagon. This leads to better associative reads down the line. The fact that he is misrepresenting what people were saying makes him seem slightly scummy.

[pablito]

Okay, Nacho's 464 makes a lot of sense to me. I think I like Red after all. Victor's definitely worth a shot; I missed how his 'unless I get shot' post could be a slip.

UNVOTE: Wanderer

VOTE: Victor

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Regarding Lucky's post 473: Jesus.

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Comment on Lucky getting shot after the weekend. Do you agree with this shot?

Sure, though I prefer Victor just now.

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Other referenda:

1.1 (Vonflare): Okay with a Vonflare shot. I had a vague sense initially that the criticism was undeserved but he has flown under the radar since.
1.1 (CB): Not okay with a CB shot.
1.3,4 (Wanderer): Okay with a wanderer shot.

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Jeanne either needs to play properly or replace out.

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Eh. I'm kind of done right now. The referendum mechanic is okay but isn't really a substitute for the usual analysing of votes. I realise this post is a bit insubstantial but am running out of steam a bit.

So let's say this were normal mafia and nacho was a vocal townsperson and voted vonflare and got von lynched with a healthy wagon whom agreed with nachos reasons. von then flips mafia. We go back in time to see who followed nacho if any sheeped or if there was a strong counter wagon and who didn't vote von to lynch. We analyze the wagons After the flip.

So let's say nacho is in a game where very few people are voting on their own. BTW thanks for voting julien. So nacho asks people to look at his rationale for executing von and some people ignore it some people agree and some people counter the argument. Von is executed anyway and flips mafia. We analyze the wagons after the flip.

This is how I see it. What is your rationale for it being significantly different? Right now we have no flip and need one to go anywhere. but at the same time we need info pre-flip to go off later.

Also julien if you are okay with a wanderer execution do you still agree with both reasons why? In normal mafia we can join bandwagons without agreeing with others' votes. With referenda you can't.

Also I agree mostly with nachos read list except I disagree with the view on maxwell and am torn on wanderer.

I think we have enough info on most at this point for d1 to end except from Jeanne and maybe millar

[Lucky2u]

How am I still not shot?!

[West9]

proddodge

Also, I promised I'd return to the Nacho readlist and I do want to iron some things out with it, but I don't have the time to do that atm, so I should say that I agree with the gist of it and don't have any huge "no this thing or this read is completely 100% wrong" issues with it.

[enomis]

How am I still not shot?!

i don't know why but this sentence points to me as scum.

[ArcAngel9]

Gun-Bearers:

MOD ANNOUNCEMENT

Nachomamma8

is the

GUNBEARER

, and he/she is the

town

.

VoteCount 1.1

miller13

- Flubbernugget

Nonsense

-

deep-city-lights

-

RedCoyote

- Perpetual Nonsense, deep-city-lights, julienvonwolfe

Wanderer-nl

- ,

vonflare

- West9, VictorDeAngelo, Wanderer-nl

MaxwellPuckett

- pablito

VictorDeAngelo

- RedCoyote

Not Voting

millar13, vonflare, , Nachomamma8, Lucky2u, CB, , Jeanne11, Heartless, MaxwellPuckett, enomis

Votes for fun purpose only. there is no lynch.
Day1 ends in (expired on 2015-05-22 16:05:00)

[ArcAngel9]

@Mod

- Stop prodding me!

My apologies, I forgot about your V/LA. I revoked your Prods.

[Lucky2u]

How am I still not shot?!

i don't know why but this sentence points to me as scum.

It points to you as scum? Ok. Guess we shoot you then.

[ArcAngel9]

deep-city-lights have requested for replacement.

[ArcAngel9]

vonflare have been prodded

[VictorDeAngelo]

Nacho should shoot already. Preferably someone scummier than Lucky, but at this point I no longer care.

[Lucky2u]

For the record, this lethargy is the result of Nacho holding the shot for so long. I vow as

president

gun bearer to bring Swift justice to the scum!

[Nachomamma8]

The only thing that changes about my reads list is probably that lucky is much townier now that I started interacting with him (posting when threatened to be shot could possibly be a scumtell yes, but starting to seem excited and trolling more when threatened to be shot comes from a townier place) so I won't be shooting him.

The shots I feel comfortable taking are:
Julienvonwolfe, Vonflare, Jeanne, Victor

The shots I would take if all of those were dead and wouldn't feel bad about shooting:
Millar, Flubbernugget

People who I wouldn't shoot ever and strongly urge not to shoot ever:
CB, Pablito, Heartless, Wanderer, RedCoyote
(aka if 4 of these players never hold a gun you will win the game)

[Wanderer-nl]

How am I still not shot?!

i don't know why but this sentence points to me as scum.

I felt it was more from town, so I like a shot on you even more now.

[Nachomamma8]

Shoot: VictorDeAngelo

People didn't formally comment on Victor, but plenty of people ended up commenting on Victor so I feel comfortable with this shot giving enough information if I die as a result of it.