SMITE Role Madness Mafia (OVER AT LAST!)

[ooba]

Metal Sonic -
Skybird -
Otolia -
TheWayItEnds -
Zel1nk -
Ooba -
ZZZX -
Magua -
vezokpiraka - TWIE (mark undecided)
Espeonage -
Drixx -
Imperium -

shoot vezok.

I agree with this. Shoot Vezok. Ideally he should be lynched - but that's not happening here - so it's really upto you to kill that scum slot.

Also don't have anybody particularly for the other thing (since I'd like to see the vezok flip first) - I'll spend that for an "Don't shoot" on TWIE.

[Magua]

Guiz.

I have info that 98% that vezok protected Metal Sonic on Nights he's claimed to do so.

vezok-scum doing this only makes sense if Metal Sonic is also scum.

Agree or disagree.

[Drixx]

Disagree. Also LOL @ MetalSonic trying to call me scum without having the balls to just say it. I've been trying to figure out how to evaluate Otolia and Skybird's similar claims since they came about. They both claimed very similar roles and it seems unlikely for those to both be true claims and also both be town, yes? I also despise it when people do shady shit like cherry picking a tiny part of something to try and make it seem like someone lied when that someone didn't. That's scumplay or shitty town play, and I'll call it out and defend the target of it every single time.

If I had to bet the game right this moment, I would say that Skybird's claim is the likely scum between the two. If I'm wrong and Otolia flips scum or Skybird flips town, I'll gladly spit on his grave and apologize to her. Until I know for sure, it's just my best evaluation of what I know.

Yeah, come at me bro. How about we talk about your shady ass for a second? You intentionally misled the game into thinking you were a third party. I'm starting to seriously think that you made that JOAT bullshit up, and the third party deception was a gambit. You set up the expectation that you'll claim a third party role that wins with town, and then make a JOAT claim as town and you're all like "psyche!" ... but we have zero confirmation of anything other than your ability to kill occasionally and that you came up with some role names. Gee guys ... ever seen a scum role that can find out what role people have?

The sheer idiocy on display in this game sometimes is beyond shocking.

[Magua]

Drixx, want to make sure I understand:

You think it's possible for vezok-scum used rolestopping on Metal Sonic-town?

[TheWayItEnds]

Guiz.

I have info that 98% that vezok protected Metal Sonic on Nights he's claimed to do so.

vezok-scum doing this only makes sense if Metal Sonic is also scum.

Agree or disagree.

Or if he believes that MS is a 3p.

[TheWayItEnds]

I actually have no town read on Vezok and would not be sad if he got shot, but that "shoot vezok" was because he said to shoot me.

Thats why I quoted an old version of that list.

Realistically I would like to see the Otolia flip before I choose who to shoot though.

FT daykilled, is there a reason you're shooting at night now Ollie?

[Magua]

Why do you think scum would protect a 3rd party?

[TheWayItEnds]

Because after AP died D1 this game swung heavily into towns favor.

If I was scum I would do everything I could to keep every kill in the game after that.

Like, even if they think Sonic is town with bad reads I would advocate keeping him around to shoot more town.

[Magua]

After he shot scum.

And the flipped 3rd party role could mod-confirmedly joint with town?

[TheWayItEnds]

yes.

[Magua]

Let's assume vezok protected Metal Sonic.

And let's hypothesize vezok flips scum.

You think it's still not likely Metal is scum?

[TheWayItEnds]

I didnt say that.

I think its less cut and dry than both scum or both town though.

If Vezok flipped scum and we lynched Metal and he didnt. That would not surprise me that much.

Metal sonic being a kill lowers the amount of days that scum have to hide from a whole games worth of unknown PRs so you have to keep him alive.

[TheWayItEnds]

I suppose though, that the only reason Sonic would need protection would be from a town vig though.

So hed only need to be protected if they thought he was vulnerable.

How can you verify what days vezok targetted sonic? Can you link me to that?

[Magua]

Assume I have information I'm not sharing.

[TheWayItEnds]

Then can you remind me what nights Vezok claimed to protect sonic?

[Magua]

N2, N3

[TheWayItEnds]

So you'd say vezok is town then?

[TheWayItEnds]

Because I'm not sure it makes sense for vezok-scum to protect MS-scum those nights.

[Drixx]

Without having complete information, we can speculate endless possibilities. We aren't going to win by trying to outguess the setup here. The very unfortunate reality is the need to sink time into reading people the old fashioned way. This thread has already sucked away a significant amount of hours in the week this day phase has been going on.

[Skybird]

Disagree. Also LOL @ MetalSonic trying to call me scum without having the balls to just say it. I've been trying to figure out how to evaluate Otolia and Skybird's similar claims since they came about. They both claimed very similar roles and it seems unlikely for those to both be true claims and also both be town, yes? I also despise it when people do shady shit like cherry picking a tiny part of something to try and make it seem like someone lied when that someone didn't. That's scumplay or shitty town play, and I'll call it out and defend the target of it every single time.

If I had to bet the game right this moment, I would say that Skybird's claim is the likely scum between the two. If I'm wrong and Otolia flips scum or Skybird flips town, I'll gladly spit on his grave and apologize to her. Until I know for sure, it's just my best evaluation of what I know.

Yeah, come at me bro. How about we talk about your shady ass for a second? You intentionally misled the game into thinking you were a third party. I'm starting to seriously think that you made that JOAT bullshit up, and the third party deception was a gambit. You set up the expectation that you'll claim a third party role that wins with town, and then make a JOAT claim as town and you're all like "psyche!" ... but we have zero confirmation of anything other than your ability to kill occasionally and that you came up with some role names. Gee guys ... ever seen a scum role that can find out what role people have?

The sheer idiocy on display in this game sometimes is beyond shocking.

Why do you think my claim and Otolia's claim is so similar?

You should have a nice apology ready for when I flip town. Just saying.

[Drixx]

The problem with that is it's just WINE Skybird. I can't know and that's exactly what a scum or a town you would say.

You both claimed bulletproof as your primary role. You claimed to be able to re-direct any incoming ability to someone else, to block it or to let it through, and also added that you could give us the middle finger if we wanted to lynch you, but you

totally

wouldn't do that. How in the world do you not realize you both having bulletproof puts you in the same category of major power, and how can you really have made that claim and not realize how obviously scummy it sounds?

At this point, the fact that you claimed it so openly is the main thing that puts you as a townread, but I have this nagging doubt that you claimed to get town points, especially the part where you made a show about how we could lynch you and you could block it but you would totally never do that.

[Skybird]

Here's the post where Otolia talks about his role:

I was mistaken. My double-vote is the resource harvester, my other ability (reflexive & self-targeted) can be activated once I get enough resources (I can't use it right now since I couldn't use it the double-vote yesterday)

One thing is bothering me with TSO's admission to lying. What did he stand to gain from that as scum ? Still he has some pretty weird views on his own behavior :


I mean the thing that changed during that time was Imperium's resurrection. One explanation could be that he has given up on the game but I feel that isn't alignment-indicative.

And here's my post where I full claim:

@Skybird:

Your role seems an awful lot like Ankamius' role. Thoughts on this? Thoughts on the action that affected you last Night?

My role really isn't like Ank's role. I'm going to full claim here. I have three passive abilities I can utilize if someone targets me. I can redirect the action; I can avoid an action, but it increases the votes on me by 1; and I can avoid a kill action but be affected by everything else. My ultimate is being able to switch the votes on two players. If I target myself, it automatically triggers if I am lynched. I have not, nor will I target myself. To me, that would be a totally scummy thing to do. I wanted to use my ultimate back on day 2 to switch the votes on one of the gladiated players to someone outside of the three, but that was not allowed. Since then, I have not seen a place to use my ultimate.

I did strip out some of the requoted parts of both posts to better see both role claims.

Drixx, please explain what you are seeing that makes mine and Otoila's claims "eerily similar".

[Skybird]

Wrong! I never claimed bulletproof. TWIE said I was bulletproof, not me. He was wrong about that.

[Skybird]

Are you sure you aren't mixing people up on claims Drixx? I just searched both ISO's for bullet proof and came up with zero matches.

[Magua]

Because I'm not sure it makes sense for vezok-scum to protect MS-scum those nights.

vezoks role also stops investigations, so I do see a strong reason for scum to use it on a partner, yes.

The thing really is, though, that if metal is town then I don't think vezok is scum, because I would expect vezok-scum to target partners with that ability, like cephrir.