Open 37 - Crush Nightless (Game Over) before 477

[mneme]

BM: I don't play on weekends. (it's true. Mostly. I definatley don't play on weekends I"m going to gaming conventions, like this past one).

vote: pick

BM: unless you lied about your sex, I'm pretty sure you don't get to have women's intuition.

[mneme]

Distad, I can hardly steal your defense before you posted.

BM's OMGUS is interesting.

[mneme]

Oh, and where is Qman?

unvote
vote: Qman

Q, please join us. Or, you know, be lynched.

[mneme]

Distad, think about this for a moment.

Do you think it's likely that Piggy is the lyncher?

If so, lynching her gives the mafia the win.

Do you think it's likely that she's mafia? Then why is the lyncher question relevant?

FOS: distad (craplogic)

[mneme]

Oh, right -- I keep forgetting this game is nightless. (and that we -need- to lynch the lyncher.)

I still think finding the mafia's a higher priority, though.

[mneme]

BattleMage: yes.

Otherwise, the town could not win without lynching the lyncher, then the mafia.

Also, see the opening post

3 townies (one of which is the lyncher's target)

[mneme]

Bah. Got prodded, just because I was waiting for -something- interesting to happen.

IMO, our best bet today is Piggy -- her -1 seems likely to have been a lyncher trying to get her target lynched -- which does mean that if we do lynch her, we've got a good chance of clearing distad (if she's the lyncher, distad's probably her target, making distad town), which will help us in catching the mafia -immensely-.

So...

unvote
vote: Ms Piggy

[mneme]

Piggy: Oh, neat. OMGUS, WIFOM (if I were scum (lyncher), would I have done this (incredibly scummy thing that might get me lynched)?. Well, yes, you would have. That's what scum do, and why they don't always win.), false witness (I posted several times on page 2), and oh, right, delurking defense.

confirm vote: Ms. Piggy

[mneme]

Bah. I was hoping Piggy was scum -- or at least the lyncher (which would have helped us a lot, giving us an innocent and much higher odds of finding the GF/goon today).

As it is, yes, finding the lyncher is only useful in terms of trying to figure out who his or her target is (the target must be innocent).

Pickem, why do you believe you are the target?

Re my bringing piggy to -1 ...well, you have to do it to someone eventually, you know.

More later -- must go to a work meeting.

[mneme]

As it is, yes, finding the lyncher is only useful in terms of trying to figure out who his or her target is (the target must be innocent).

I don't understand this. How would finding the lyncher, give us a confirmed innocent? :?

Er... see above.

If we identify both the lyncher and the lyncher's target, then we know two players that are -not- the GF nor the goon (and have much better odds on picking the GF/goon from the remaining players).

The only person who it doesnt reflect badly on is QMan.

It's no credit, in an info-less game, to avoid an innocent lynch. It may reflect good intentions, but it may also reflect prior knowledge.

Q-Man might be a goon or GF (in which case, the lyncher was masking by joining the Piggy lynch). Or he might be the lyncher, avoiding a lynch which didn't help him win (which would mean both mafia were on the piggy lynch).

Or he's town, of course.

[mneme]

no, i meant the bit where you said that you had hoped Piggy was the Lyncher.

The lyncher is theoretically easier to find than the scum.

Lynching the lyncher via target identification gives us a confirmed innocent (because the lyncher's target is always innocent). Lynching the GF is even better -- it gives us a free kill on the goon (but it's also harder).

My current suspisions:

distad: target. The reasoning that lead us to thinking Piggy was the lyncher still applies to BM and Pickme.
BM: lyncher. Too many questions about the lyncher makes me think he's trying to figure out how his role works.
Pickme: scum
Qman: scum

Between Pickme and Q-man as GF, I'm not sure -- pickme's fingering Q-Man as lyncher (not mafia) gives him a free pass on lynching Q-man, but is still essentially a bus. So I could see it pointing to Q-man as GF, but it's not really indicative (and the whole tactic of bussing a partner is usually done from godfather to goon, for good reason; the fact that pickme is attacking q-man, who isn't fighting back, points to pickme as a GF bussing his partner).

[mneme]

sorry, you've lost me here. You think I'm the lyncher, and Distad is my target? :lol:

Not unlikely.

[mneme]

You voted me day 1, then switched to distad for a while and helped run him up to l-1. Then you helped run up Piggy, and focused back to me today.

If you are the lyncher, your target is either me (a bit too obvious, but still) or distad (subtle, but effective), or someone else (in which case, you're being -very- subtle, but that's not impossible, just out of character ).

The reason I think you're the lyncher, specificially, is all your questions about the lyncher and how he or she interacts with the rest of the game -- many of which were very odd.

In specific, your comment about how the lyncher was less helpful if they could have a scum target was just bizarre -- as it inverted the real relationship (the lyncher is far more dangerous to the town if her target can be scum (can lose via a scum lynch) and far more helpful if her target must be town). This seems to be more a question of how to play the lyncher card than how to play -against- the lyncher.

[mneme]

I'd like to know that too. (and do disagree with the vote, obviously).

[mneme]

Distad: I've been saying Q-man was scum since day 1.

unvote (don't remember who I was voting. Probably nobody)
vote: Qman

Pickme: your logic is impecable, except that I know you're scum (if distad isn't -- and to all appearances, distad is the perfect townie). Why not use an argument we all can appreciate, rather than elimination based on secret knowledge we have no reason to believe?

[mneme]

distad: of course I was holding back all day -- we're in lynch or lose.

And I was trying to avoid the OMGUS vote. But for now..

unvote

(to avoid the possibility of a quicklynch).

[mneme]

Indeed.