New York 180 (Endgame)

[ika]

goodmornign: kitz
ozgin: dragonspawn
Cheetory6: Marquis

(expired on 2015-04-21 21:00:00)

[Ozgin]

I've completed 1, replaced into and died in 1, and replaced out of 2. Those last three mentioned I played almost all at the same time, so I'm relatively new. Why does it matter?

@Kitz - I didn't bother to read you because, until now,

you haven't even

cared

about this game.

[goodmorning]

@Ozgin:

And me?

[dragonspawn]

This game is going slow this weekend.

Wasn't tso voting oz too?

VC reset after modkill

[Kitz]

you haven't even cared about this game.

I have cared for majority of the game. There was a point I was at neutral mood, but it was because of the fuckups made by the others.
That's a rather bold claim of you. You've just basically said I don't care, at all, at any point, of the game.

Maybe you're the one who doesn't care?

[goodmorning]

This game is going slow this weekend.

Games usually go slowly over the weekends.

[Cheetory6]

TSO - Leanscum. I don't know that I buy he was blocked. What if he's not even the vig, what if he's a mafia goon or something, his team voted to shoot someone

Uh.
VOTE: Ozgin
Yeah Ozgin has literally not budged an inch on TSO despite mountains of evidence to suggest that he isn't worth lynching right now and his read on me is also pretty garbage.

Shinobi is probably town because of counterwagon things.
Kitz is town.
GC should do catch-up things soon but he's also probably town.
I'll wager that TSO is almost definitely town if Ozgin flips scum.

That leaves goodmorning, marquis, ozgin and dragonspawn.
Don't really have a strong feeling on GM or dragon, but there's probably a scum in there.
Ozgin and marquis are my current best guesses for scum.

[Shinobi]

Marquis is still not mafia.

I've completed 1, replaced into and died in 1, and replaced out of 2. Those last three mentioned I played almost all at the same time, so I'm relatively new. Why does it matter?

@Kitz - I didn't bother to read you because, until now,

you haven't even

cared

about this game.

I'm trying to figure out if your reads are superficial because of newness or scumness. Either is possible but I haven't put the time in yet to solidify the read.

[Cheetory6]

Why exactly is Marquis town? You could always try to articulate it and explain it to me or point me in the direction of something to help me understand where you're at?
-.-

[Shinobi]

I'll go out of my way to do so when I'm not working.

[goodmorning]

@Shinobi: what do you think about what I said about Pisskop interactions with Kitz the other day?

[Kitz]

This game is going directions.

[Ozgin]

@Ozgin:

And me?

Sorry, I missed you. I don't know what to think, because if you're not BP or something, then TSO is lying. But I don't know why you're alive if TSO shot you, so one of you two is off. I dunno which.

TSO - Leanscum. I don't know that I buy he was blocked. What if he's not even the vig, what if he's a mafia goon or something, his team voted to shoot someone

Uh.
VOTE: Ozgin
Yeah Ozgin has literally not budged an inch on TSO despite mountains of evidence to suggest that he isn't worth lynching right now and his read on me is also pretty garbage.

Shinobi is probably town because of counterwagon things.
Kitz is town.
GC should do catch-up things soon but he's also probably town.
I'll wager that TSO is almost definitely town if Ozgin flips scum.

That leaves goodmorning, marquis, ozgin and dragonspawn.
Don't really have a strong feeling on GM or dragon, but there's probably a scum in there.
Ozgin and marquis are my current best guesses for scum.

"Oh look he scumreads me, let me find a reason to OMGUS..."

Seriously, you're gonna give me shit for having suspicions about a guy who claimed to take a shot on someone who they scumread with no kill? And no mafia kill last night? I'm sure you've got all the answers, right? I'm just an idiot whose chasing butterflies. Bite me.

And what the hell is this bullshit?:

...just because he hammered especially since intent had already been given before the hammer had actually happened.

Or just Ozgin because he put a hammer down after Silver had already given intent?

Ahem...

UNVOTE:

Consider this my intent to hammer Aeronaut.

Aero, Shinobi got you here and here and here.

What do you have to say for yourself?

Came before

Intent to hammer

So do you wanna go ahead and push that "Hurr durr he hammered when SW had the intent, hurr" card some more? Or are you actually going to fucking read the thread?

[Ozgin]

EBWOP - GM that first quote is me responding to you, I fucked up the quote. My apologies.

[Ozgin]

Sorry about my angry tone, something about Cheetory's attitude made me read it like he thinks he knows better than me and that my suspicions of TSO are stupid.

But seriously Cheetory, tell me why you're pushing a scumread on me based on a lie?

[Marquis]

post later, cheet still probscum

[goodmorning]

@Ozgin: Or TSO was blocked?

[Shinobi]

This game is going directions.

Is it though?

I'm probably going to wait for Marquis to post again before I post reasons as to why we shouldn't lynch him, if nothing else to confirm my own beliefs when I see him talk about his scumreads. W/e. I've already talked about it before (his game here being almost nothing like the scumgames I've seen him play) but if we still need more reasons to not lynch him then I can post them later.

@GM: I didn't really find anything damning/definitive about the case.

[Shinobi]

I'm pretty sure this game slowed down the way it has because TSO isn't here to stir everything up. Huh.

I do really want to read what Marquis has to say though.

[goodmorning]

Yes, yes, but I want to talk about it.

[Shinobi]

Okay I guess.

Do you think scum would suggest an information lynch on their own partner? Why does pisskop suggesting an information lynch on Kitz make her scum?
Why does pisskop voting Kitz for no reason make her scummy?
Why is that interaction only coaching instead of anything else at all?

Just a few questions off the top of my head.

[dragonspawn]

I'm pretty sure this game slowed down the way it has because TSO isn't here to stir everything up. Huh.

I do really want to read what Marquis has to say though.

Wolf and elusive being gone have slowed it up too

[goodmorning]

Do you think scum would suggest an information lynch on their own partner? Why does pisskop suggesting an information lynch on Kitz make her scum?
Why does pisskop voting Kitz for no reason make her scummy?

I don't think he

was

suggesting an info lynch on Kitz. He voted Kitz with 0 explanation. It was never ever explained.
That makes it look like he put his vote there solely to distance.

Why is that interaction only coaching instead of anything else at all?

Well, it certainly isn't an explanation of his vote for Kitz, and seeing as he hadn't said anything to her before it's not a continuation of a line of questioning. It's not a case. What else could 918 be?

Like I said, Aero's 988 could just be fill on his part. But 918 is something else.
In 918 he runs a couple missed questions by viking. He makes bits of a case on elusive. And then he asks Kitz some softball questions.

The whole time he 's been saying elusive would be a decent lynch. He's given actual reasons to vote elusive. Yet he's voting Kitz, whom he's said nothing about and hasn't given reasons to be voting.

It looks like distancing.

[goodmorning]

EBWOP: It was never ever explained; calling it an info lynch would at least have explained it in some small way but he never called it one.

[dragonspawn]

Some rl issues have come up that may keep me from posting as frequently as id like. I will try to keep up but I apologize if I'm a little distracted or silent.