8:4 Vanilla Nightless [TM2015] - GAME OVER

[Nachomamma8]

Sonic? Have I not campaigned properly to earn your vote on this wagon?

[Nachomamma8]

Do I need to deposit town credits? Do I need to perform a Sonic Summoning ritual? Please tell me what I need to do in order to guide this scumwagon to its satisfying conclusion.

[Metal Sonic]

VOTE: Kagami

Ok

[ZZZX]

Do I need to deposit town credits? Do I need to perform a Sonic Summoning ritual? Please tell me what I need to do in order to guide this scumwagon to its satisfying conclusion.

I must thank you for helping me convince sonic to join the wagon btw. That must be the towniest thing you have done. +town points from me for now (a hugeeee incress too if kagami does flip scum btw)

[ZZZX]

The vengeful style is fucking stupid. end.

I dont say we use it NOW

But when it goes to 4v5 there is no way to control all town players to do a correct vote.

[Albert B. Rampage]

My team thinks Kagami is town, based on her scum game in Inuyasha: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=58247

They also think wgeurts and Nacho are scum.

[GreyICE]

For what? For his "everything and the kitchen sink" case on me where he attacks me for everything from contradicting myself to "trying to get a lynch" to fucking SPENDING AN HOUR WITH MY GIRLFRIEND WHEN I SHOULD BE HANGING AROUND LIKE A FUCKING SLAVE WAITING FOR MASSA TO GIVE ORDERS?

Or maybe for his read list from the black lagoon which indicates he isn't even close to fucking paying attention?

Or maybe for the silverwolf "replace out of one game, by the by I don't like playing scum"

Oh, nope, none of those. Because of a shitty piece of meta. HOLY FUCK CHRIST.

Smash your stupid team on their stupid heads and come vote scum.

[Albert B. Rampage]

My team isn't stupid, and your points have already been noted. The only people I'm down for lynching right away are lurkers like Seraphim and Hoopla, who don't contribute jack to the game, or obvscum like Sotty. Otherwise, I want to wait until Hoopla and Sotty make some content posts.

[Nachomamma8]

I only disagree with you on the Kagami read, which is good since her scumflip is liable to break the game wide open.

[GreyICE]

Fine, they're not stupid. Meta is still a terrible thing to base arguments on.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I only disagree with you on the Kagami read, which is good since her scumflip is liable to break the game wide open.

You said you were coming over to Sotty.

[GreyICE]

"How to dodge scumreads from people who play by meta 101, a short guide by GreyICE"

- Open your most recent two scumgames. Look at what you did. Do something different.

This is team mafia, his team probably said something like "well you normally sit back and relax, just go agro and make a case on someone." I mean

outside

of his case on me, everything else has been terrible and non-existent. And he went missing for a nice few day gap.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I have some experience with Kagami in MTG mafia. He was consistent, streamlined, didn't make glaring mistakes. Completely under the radar, reasoned and justified reads lists. Titus reports the same thing from Inuyasha.

Kagami isn't going to re-invent the wheel.

It's a high risk lynch. It won't blow the game wide open either. Our safest bets are Seraphim and Sotty.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Meaning that the scumteam is within:
Kagami, sotty, Eddie, Hoopla, Nacho

Unvote
Vote: sotty

We can't forget about this saga, where Seraphim voted Sotty for 2 hours until her wagon became too hot.

Kagami vs. GreyIce is the same as Metal Sonic vs. wgeurts. It looks like a lot of confbias and emotional voting.

[Albert B. Rampage]

If Seraphim flipped town, I wouldn't hesitate to vote for Kagami, but right now my team is adamant, and I see where they're coming from.

[Nachomamma8]

I only disagree with you on the Kagami read, which is good since her scumflip is liable to break the game wide open.

You said you were coming over to Sotty.

I said I'd come over to Sotty if the wagon got larger than my Kagami wagon, which is an offer that still holds.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'll lynch you if you're wrong about Kagami, Nacho.

[Nachomamma8]

That's acceptable.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Good.

Hooplaaaaa
Soooottttty

[GreyICE]

I have some experience with Kagami in MTG mafia. He was consistent, streamlined, didn't make glaring mistakes. Completely under the radar, reasoned and justified reads lists. Titus reports the same thing from Inuyasha.

Kagami isn't going to re-invent the wheel.

It's a high risk lynch. It won't blow the game wide open either. Our safest bets are Seraphim and Sotty.

Oh my god. The argument is literally "he's playing so bad he has to be town, he'd be better if he were scum".

Excuse me, I'm going to go put my forehead through sheet rock.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Why not? Why does his terrible entrance benefit him as scum? What does aggravating you do for him? You and Nacho are starting with the premise that Kagami's whole team is cornered and as good as caught, so his only play is to force a mislynch on you, the most aggressive, emotional and active player in the game, apparently the only loose screw in our impenetrable town block. I mean...really? Is that what you think? We just line up the scum pool and sequentially vote them out until we win, no second thoughts?

[Nachomamma8]

Aggression is not always a positive trait in Nightless formats: Kagami's opening strategy was most likely to antagonize Grey, which would make it easier to start a wagon against him (loud angry personalities often catch a lot of heat for being hard to get along with). It would have gone through and worked if the rest of her scumteam was actually active or wgeurts/ZZZX didn't start the wagon on her, but that's not how the cards fell this time.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Kagami's strategy to align himself with Sotty, Seraphim and Eddie is a tactical blunder that is unconscionable for scum.

[GreyICE]

Why not? Why does his terrible entrance benefit him as scum? What does aggravating you do for him? You and Nacho are starting with the premise that Kagami's whole team is cornered and as good as caught, so his only play is to force a mislynch on you, the most aggressive, emotional and active player in the game, apparently the only loose screw in our impenetrable town block. I mean...really? Is that what you think? We just line up the scum pool and sequentially vote them out until we win, no second thoughts?

He didn't. His entrance was "hey guys, reading up". His first major post is:

I read that, serephim. It's not compelling. I agree that sotty's play isn't amazing, but I've seen far worse from town being tunneled into the ground.

GI's posting is bizarrely inconsistent, which is ironic given he says the same of sotty. The best point he makes is the token thing.

He complains that sotty is willing to town block with players who haven't even posted against, pointing to a list that is probably just people sotty likes/has played with before. Later hoopla shows up later saying she'll sheep GI and ABR and just gamble that they're town. Hoopla gets a solid town for that because hoopla understands the need to town-block.

He should have had hoopla as town at 114, given his suspicion of sotty. Instead, there are sprinkles of "hoopla might be scum" in the token conversation and hoopla's opening is "deliberately uninteresting." He decides hoopla is town at 272 for whatever reason. I asked him about it, and apparently GI doesn't do pre-flip associations. Meanwhile, Eddie is revving a chainsaw in 258.

sotty is apparently pathetic and the worst liar ever. And is a legendary scum player in the next post.

There are other little things too. I don't believe town greyICE would ever utter "scum caught for the wrong reasons." He's just too smart to believe that. 277 is another ridiculous thing I don't think town-GI would say. "One of my townreads is scum" reads as "I'll have to 180 on one of my townreads once my scumreads are all dead."

And yes, a lot of this oddly revolves around a greyice-hoopla interaction. I think they're scum together. The early hoopla-scum sprinkles might indicate town-hoopla, but it looks like it was just distancing that grey decided not to bother with since he inexplicably has a townread from everyone.

So on to that townread. Why is greyICE town, seraphim?

He was willing to lynch Sotty for a while to get a mislynch on me, which is warning bells level of play for basically anyone. Both Shadoweh and LLD commented on how bad it was, LLD wanted me off the Sotty wagon then and there (I'm not so sold on it as her, but it was bad juju).

But you know what? Lets ignore Kagami for a second. His team is

TSO, cabd, and Aeronaut

. I have no idea who Aeronaut is, but Cabd and TSO are both active players. Moreover, Kagami's slot is under extreme fire.

They left him with THIS as a reads list?

Scum

GreyICE (TBD)
Hoopla (Confectionery Animals)

Zar Empire (The Westeros Circlejerk)
wgeurts (Young and Beautiful)
Metal Sonic (team nocaps)
Nachomamma8 (Gestalt)
ZZZX (TEAM WITH NO NAME)

EddieFenix (The Leftovers)
Seraphim (The Unviggable Vegetables)
Sotty7 (The Kliq)
Albert B. Rampage (Blue, Meth, Blade and Associates)

Town


Now it's your turn.

What, do they just hate him? Is that it?

[GreyICE]

Kagami's strategy to align himself with Sotty, Seraphim and Eddie is a tactical blunder that is unconscionable for scum.

No, this is back to "he's so bad he must be town"

My head is literally exploding.