SMITE Role Madness Mafia (OVER AT LAST!)

[Magua]

So if you were me, would you-as-me lynch you-as-you?

[T S O]

Yes.

[T S O]

I would think, as you, that I've made some valid arguments - but there are still many convincing reasons that I can't really respond to, so a pretty definitive yes.

[T S O]

I'll say it again - I am warning FT not to target me.

[Magua]

I am glad that you're approving of me doing what I was going to do anyway.

[FourTrouble]

Hmm, yea Sky could be town. I dunno. The end of D2 interests me. Ceph was quite worried I'd shoot him or Ozgin, so he was in absolute survival-mode. Also, remember Ceph was one of my biggest scumreads, and Ceph knows that I place a lot of value on F-16's reads too, so he definitely would have felt the pressure. I think Ceph would have been advocating that I shoot someone who actually was mafia -- or at the very least he'd have included at least one scum in his list of people to shoot. I know there's a bunch of WIFOM there, of course, but as a matter of pro-scum outcomes, I think that's what mafia would do in that situation (keep Ceph alive over someone with a weaker role and weaker player overall). He lists Ace, TSO, and Skybird as the folks to shoot, but he advocates shooting Skybird as who he'd shoot. I feel like he wanted to give me a LEGITIMATE alternative, not someone who looked scummy but was actually town. The main point is that Ceph's gonna be able to build a case on actual mafia better than he can on town, because it won't be fabricated, it would be real. But I dunno. Thoughts?

[FourTrouble]

I'll say it again - I am warning FT not to target me.

You need to explain and be less vague.

[FourTrouble]

TWIE starts it in 6162

Skybird starts responding in 6201.

Skybird's anger at TWIE outting elements of her role reads as sincere.

btw you're right about this -- it does seem townish.

[Skybird]

FT, I know you are talking with Magua, but if there is anything you'd like to ask me, I'm around.

[Imperium]

do you just stalk the thread and wait for people to mention suspicion of you to post?

[FourTrouble]

literally what Imperium just said is what I was gonna say lol...

btw, has anyone noticed there seems to be lots of duplicate roles with variations in this game? Ank was a redirector role , sky's claiming a redirector role; vezok claimed doc; mask was a doc; multiple vig variations; etc.

[FourTrouble]

Mafia seem to have the same roles too (i.e. vote modifying role, vig role, etc.)

[vezokpiraka]

Hey.

TSO.

Hey.

Two questions.

Question one. Assume vezokpiraka is town. Who would you prefer to lynch?

Question two. You did absolutely fuck all nothing until you came under pressure, at which point you explode with defense. Why should I think you're town at all? Smarmy answers like "I'm town" or "because I'm awesome" can be discarded immedaitely.

1. MS, TWIE

2. You don't have a reason, really. I know I'm town. Doesn't mean I have the tools to definitely prove it.

You want to kill me and MS? These are your primary targets? The paranoia might have destroyed your central nervous system.

[TheWayItEnds]

^ wut.

[TheWayItEnds]

Everytime I check this thread I want to hammer TSO a little more.

[Skybird]

do you just stalk the thread and wait for people to mention suspicion of you to post?

No, I just happen to be unemployed at the moment.

And that is not a fair accusation. I have tried to start a conversation about MS being scum but no one seems to want to talk about that.

[Imperium]

What happened to TSO's scum read of me. I feel forgotten. I hate feeling forgotten about.

[Magua]

Skybird, who, besides TSO, is scum?

Who is town?

[Skybird]

I really think Metal Sonic is scum. Along with the things I mentioned earlier, there's his very early decision that our neighborhood is all town. IMO that decision was made before he really could know because of the limited interactions. In the neighborhood, MS has been trying to direct the play of the others in the hood. He got very mad at TWIE when he replaced in because TWIE also thought MS looked scummy. He did threaten to day-vig TWIE in the hood. I also feel his "guaranteeing" me as town was to get me to feel ingratiated to him.

I am also suspicious of Heartless and Mastin. Verzok was a town read for me that has slipped lately due to his interactions with MS.

I feel Zelink is town. He's put forth a lot of effort to solve the game and generate content. I feel TWIE is town based on his play in the game thread and comments in the neighborhood. Imperium is also town based on play. I was town-reading bitmap and I haven't seen enough of Espeonage to determine if I should continue town-reading that slot. TAOS was scummy to me earlier in the game. It bothered me that we could never seem to get him lynched because I can't figure out why. (I guess the same could be said about me. Everyone is scum reading me so why the hell haven't I been lynched yet. lol)

[ZeL1nK2]

I think we should just (try to) lynch TSO today.

Unless he's willing to full-claim and explain the unlynchable/unkillable mechanic, I'm just going to advocate lynching him until he's dead. I doubt scum have a permanently unlynchable/unkillable role, so I would guess he's (at most) 1-shot unlynchable, if he's not outright lying about his role.

I also don't believe dramonic saw fit to include a town role that is unlynchable/unkillable and automatically wins for town at lylo.

[T S O]

It doesn't automatically win at LyLo. My plan was to create a scenario where I was online along with someone I felt strongly was scum, somehow derp into self-voting, get them to hammer, ask them 2 or 3 of their scum members, which would create multiple consecutive scum lynches.

[T S O]

It gives me immunity for 3 phases, including the one I was "killed" in. So if I'm lynched today, I'm immune to death for today/tonight/tomorrow.

I also extend the deadline by a week, and refund daykillers their daykill.

[T S O]

I don't know if I refund nightvigs, it seems unlikely.

[T S O]

I really wanted to see the reactions when I revealed I'm still hanging around for another phase, but game is dragging like fuck and I kinda owe it to my win condition to push it forward if I can.

VOTE: TSO

[T S O]

Speed it up so I can prove it.