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Post Post #1525 (ISO) » Tue Jul 17, 2007 1:37 am

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Vote Count:


Guardian- 6 (Sarcastro, hackerHuck, BattleMage, Glork, Yosarian2, Shteven)
The Central Scrutinizer- 1 (inHimshallIbe)
inHimshallIbe- 1 (Guardian)
Glork- 1 (The Central Scrutinizer)
Yogurt Bandit- 1 (Billy Twilight)

Not voting (5): Mr. Buddy Lee, AutumnEvenings, Jack, Yogurt Bandit, Xyzzy

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Post Post #1526 (ISO) » Tue Jul 17, 2007 2:50 am

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Guardian wrote:
unvote vote: inHimIshallbe


I'd say why, but cases are scummy.
ebwop: lol, meant to hit preview there, but now that it's there I don't disagree with the sentiment so whatever.

Read the first few pages with Coron's two posts, and then read inHim in isolation. I don't like it.
That made me lol .

You can still use the rope to lynch someone else, there will be many lynches in this game, I'm sure, don't worry.


If you're bored or whatnot, re-read inHim's posts and tell me what you think. Also Sarcastro.
i lol'd irl

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You can die now, scum.
For he's a jolly good busser...

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Post Post #1527 (ISO) » Tue Jul 17, 2007 3:01 am

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WTF inHim? What if I were to claim a power role.... Like I'm going to....

I repeat that inHim is extremely suspect for not giving me space to claim, and BM is suspect for not wanting to give me space to claim.



Well this is just great.....

I am a
doctor
. Glork n0, BillyTwilight n1.

I left plenty of breadcrumbs for this, if that will convince you.

Please unvote now before scum quick hammer...

Gah!
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Post Post #1528 (ISO) » Tue Jul 17, 2007 3:07 am

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Lynch all doctors.

I'm serious
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Post Post #1529 (ISO) » Tue Jul 17, 2007 3:07 am

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Also, no counterclaims.
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Post Post #1530 (ISO) » Tue Jul 17, 2007 3:10 am

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inHim, you're very very wrong, which I find hard to believe after how easily you nailed me in Texas Justice -- or you are
scum
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No counterclaims makes sense though, since we theoretically could have 2 doctors, at least you aren't trying to out both :P.
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Post Post #1531 (ISO) » Tue Jul 17, 2007 3:17 am

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Guardian wrote: No counterclaims makes sense though, since we theoretically could have 2 doctors, at least you aren't trying to out both :P.
rofl. you are asking the real doc not to counterclaim?
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Post Post #1532 (ISO) » Tue Jul 17, 2007 3:21 am

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Another doc claiming would prove nothing. You
want
more power roles outed?


Oh wait, yeah, you do, you wanted more people to vote me to force a claim.
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Post Post #1533 (ISO) » Tue Jul 17, 2007 3:25 am

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If someone hammers, my current suspicions are:

Sarcastro for his overall singlemindedness,
inHim for the bad vibe I got when reading over his posts,
Glork for possibly being scum (nope, no case for you Glork, sorry)
BM for possible SK as explained.
YB for possible SK?? the MoS kill makes a lot of sense then, and the SV kill makes more sense.


I guess I'm not that useful as a doctor as no kills were missed -- and MoS was my second choice to protect last night, and I was very close to doing it :P.
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Post Post #1534 (ISO) » Tue Jul 17, 2007 3:26 am

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Oh, and add whoever hammers me to that list, I can't believe that not only will I surely be NK'd -- people are trying to mislynch me :|.
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Post Post #1535 (ISO) » Tue Jul 17, 2007 3:32 am

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I made it very obvious I was doc with "
d
istrict
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c
olumbia" "santiago
d
e
o
c
ompestella" and countless other things.

I said early day one that I surely would have targeted Glork n0 if I was SK -- I did target him, but not as SK. I said at the beginning of day 2 "I, like BillyTwilight" I protected him n1.

Also, I was sure I wouldn't be mislynched yesterday because I'm a doc, I had a few "confident" like posts, and that was why :|. Then again, I was sure I wouldn't be mislynched today, too, and here I am at -1 with two... players pushing for a hammer.
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Post Post #1536 (ISO) » Tue Jul 17, 2007 3:41 am

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Bah.
unvote:guardian
, for now anyway.

Guardian, if you are the doc, then why did you protect Glork? Weren't you just saying you thought he might be scum?

(And by the way, your comment about "Shteven protecting Glork" makes no sense...sure, Glork could be scum, Shteven could be scum, but I'm not sure I'd believe the two of them being scum together.)
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Post Post #1537 (ISO) » Tue Jul 17, 2007 3:44 am

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Yosarian2 wrote:Guardian, if you are the doc, then why did you protect Glork? Weren't you just saying you thought he might be scum?
I protected him n0, when we had no info. I didn't find him scummy pregame ;).
Yosarian2 wrote:(And by the way, your comment about "Shteven protecting Glork" makes no sense...sure, Glork could be scum, Shteven could be scum, but I'm not sure I'd believe the two of them being scum together.)
Hmm. Yeah, I'm unsure. I forgot Shteven in my List, good catch. He's scummy too :P.
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Post Post #1538 (ISO) » Tue Jul 17, 2007 3:54 am

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Oh, I guess I misread your post then. Who did you protect night 1, then?
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Post Post #1539 (ISO) » Tue Jul 17, 2007 3:55 am

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Actually, never mind, you don't have to answer that.
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Post Post #1540 (ISO) » Tue Jul 17, 2007 6:01 am

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Hm. The Guardian/Glork folks are going to love this... but I am inclined to believe the claim.
Unvote Guardian


It's hard to say whether the scums will play the WIFOM game or not as far as nightkilling Guardian goes. But consider this: If Guardian is not the SK, then the SK will have significant incentive to kill Guardian regardless of whether Guardian is scum or the Doctor. If Guardian is the SK (which I must say, I find rather unlikely -- I think he'd have taken a lower profile in this game if so), then the Mafia may in fact leave him around for a while. If he's the Doc, he could find himself the target of both kills so that Doc protection won't save him; or, if only one group targets him, the presence of a second Doc could save him.



Basically... I don't think Guardian is the play. I find it very likely that in the next night or two, the SK will be cutting Guardian to pieces. And as long as we've got the SK playing vigilante for us, it's strategic to look eslewhere for our lynch.


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Post Post #1541 (ISO) » Tue Jul 17, 2007 6:05 am

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Glork wrote:Hm. The Guardian/Glork folks are going to love this... but I am inclined to believe the claim.
Unvote Guardian
I kind of find that WIFOM ish my self. You are throwing it out there that pepole will suspect you??
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Post Post #1542 (ISO) » Tue Jul 17, 2007 6:36 am

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No. Pay attention: I'm saying that at least two people (Yos2 and inHim) have already stated that they think Glork/Guardian are scum together. Me saying that I believe Guardian will do nothing to sway those opinions.


It was really just a throwaway comment. *shrug*
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Post Post #1543 (ISO) » Tue Jul 17, 2007 7:02 am

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Glork wrote:It's hard to say whether the scums will play the WIFOM game or not as far as nightkilling Guardian goes. But consider this: If Guardian is not the SK, then the SK will have significant incentive to kill Guardian regardless of whether Guardian is scum or the Doctor.
If Guardian is the SK (which I must say, I find rather unlikely -- I think he'd have taken a lower profile in this game if so), then the Mafia may in fact leave him around for a while.
If he's the Doc, he could find himself the target of both kills so that Doc protection won't save him; or, if only one group targets him, the presence of a second Doc could save him
.
(emphasis mine)

The bold and italics do not match up. Glork is covering up for his scumbuddy here with flawed logic.
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Post Post #1544 (ISO) » Tue Jul 17, 2007 7:13 am

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Of course they don't match up. They pose two different scenarios:

Scenario 1: Guardian is a Mafiate. The SK likely kills him sooner or later -- preferrably, sooner.
Scenario 2: Guardian is the SK. I find this unlikely, but if it is, he will probably survive for a little while.
Scenario 3: Guardian is a Doctor. The SK will likely target him at some point; the Mafia may or may not. Survival may be dependent on the existence of a second Doc.
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Post Post #1545 (ISO) » Tue Jul 17, 2007 7:14 am

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EWBODP: Obviously, I added the "Guardian is a Mafiate" scenario to make my musings more complete.


inHim, could you explain why you think my post was an attempt to cover for a scumbuddy? I am making neither hide nor hair of that comment.
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Post Post #1546 (ISO) » Tue Jul 17, 2007 7:15 am

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Unvote: Guardian


As sad as his claim makes me, I'm certain there's still a good lynch out there. Time to do a little more legwork.

Guardian - you may have breadcrumbed it, but your play doesn't really match up with what I would expect from a doctor. You had better not still be around by endgame.
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Post Post #1547 (ISO) » Tue Jul 17, 2007 7:21 am

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OK, it's a cover for a scumbuddy 'cause if your argument carries Guardian's going to live. You said
both
groups could kill him if he were a doc, implying scum would also put the hit out on him, but the same doesn't seem to apply if Guardian were an SK. Reading it again, I actually see you angling Guardian as the SK instead of "covering" for him.

Hmmm... angling Guardian as the SK... you're right, that's not cover, it's a setup.

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Post Post #1548 (ISO) » Tue Jul 17, 2007 7:44 am

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No, I said it's possible that both scums will kill him.

Guardian only lives if A) no scums kill him; or B) one scumgroup kills him, but there is a Doctor who is protecting him.



I see how it may appear likely to you that Guardian will live -- I posed several scenarios in which B is
possible
. However, I find it highly likely (say, 80%) that the SK will target Guardian (again, unless Guardian is the SK -- a probability which I find to be insignificant). I'd give about a 50% chance of scum targeting Guardian. There is only a 50% chance that there is even another Doctor alive, and probably only a 60% chance that any living Doctor would protect Guardian.


Thus, according to my calculations, Guardian will survive under the following scenarios:
---Supposing Guardian is a Doctor:
1) Doctor, SK kill, no Mafia kill, second Doctor protects (.8 x .5 x .3 = 0.12)
2) Doctor, no SK kill, Mafia kill, second Doctor protects (.2 x .5 x .3 = 0.03)
3) No SK kill, no Mafia kill (.2 x .5 = .10\)
--Total probability: 25%

--Supposing Guardian is a Mafiate
1) SK kill, second Doctor protects (.8 x .3 = 0.24)
2) No SK kill (0.2)
--Total probability: 44%


--Supposing Guardian is the SK
1) No Mafia kill (.5)
2) Mafia kill, second Doctor protects (.5 x .3 = 0.25)
--Total probability: 75%


So Guardian is most likely to survive if he is the SK, but
I have already stated that I firmly believe Guardian to be non-SK
.
If he is Mafia or Doc, then he is
likely to die
, which is a rejection of your "if your argument carries, Guardian is going to live" claim. The whole point of my initial post was to state that one reason Guardian is not the play is because he is likely going to die.
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Post Post #1549 (ISO) » Tue Jul 17, 2007 7:48 am

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For the time being, I believe Guardian's claim.

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