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Post Post #3050 (ISO) » Sun Mar 22, 2015 5:21 pm

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Riven could start to become relevant as a counterpick if Vlad became dominant I think. That's where I was coming from. Though realistically I suspect Riot will give Vlad the Veigar treatment if he actually becomes dominant before that happens.
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Post Post #3051 (ISO) » Sun Mar 22, 2015 5:56 pm

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Post Post #3052 (ISO) » Sun Mar 22, 2015 5:57 pm

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In post 3050, Iecerint wrote:Riven could start to become relevant as a counterpick if Vlad became dominant I think. That's where I was coming from. Though realistically I suspect Riot will give Vlad the Veigar treatment if he actually becomes dominant before that happens.


Vlad isn't a thing you just FP though. It's a niche pick in response to the tank/2-threat comps that are getting really popular.
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Post Post #3053 (ISO) » Sun Mar 22, 2015 6:04 pm

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Yeah, that's a good point.
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Post Post #3054 (ISO) » Sun Mar 22, 2015 7:07 pm

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at what point do we bench link like holy moly
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Post Post #3055 (ISO) » Sun Mar 22, 2015 10:23 pm

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whenever theres someone better to replace him.

Link is a pretty good player and all, i just dunno how he fits with CLG...

I'm sure there are numbers and shit, but I think it would be hard to just up and replace Link and expect to just get better...
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Post Post #3056 (ISO) » Mon Mar 23, 2015 1:11 am

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Yusui maybe?
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Post Post #3057 (ISO) » Mon Mar 23, 2015 1:33 am

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Agreed with BRO re: C9 - Cloud9's historical advantage in NA (map rotations / playcalling) are no longer an advantage, and they can't keep up in terms of mechanical skill in the solo lanes in particular. Hai would make a solid analyst, and a bjergsen/pobelter/powerofevil-esque midlaner would be really useful if someone else can be taught to make the map calls that Hai makes.
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Post Post #3058 (ISO) » Mon Mar 23, 2015 7:32 am

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Hai's shotcalling is really hard to imitate because it's so creative. Like, the shotcalling on clg right now is really good because they always just make the "right" call. C9's shotcalling has been amazing because Hai sees opportunities that don't seem to exist.
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Post Post #3059 (ISO) » Mon Mar 23, 2015 3:02 pm

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Post Post #3060 (ISO) » Mon Mar 23, 2015 3:06 pm

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I'm not sure there are enough teams and what not to sustain that.
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Post Post #3061 (ISO) » Tue Mar 24, 2015 6:30 am

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In post 3055, pickemgenius wrote:whenever theres someone better to replace him.

Link is a pretty good player and all, i just dunno how he fits with CLG...

I'm sure there are numbers and shit, but I think it would be hard to just up and replace Link and expect to just get better...

i strongly disagree

we lose games sometimes purely because link can't hold up in lane

pobelter and shiphtur are options
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Post Post #3062 (ISO) » Tue Mar 24, 2015 6:40 am

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You mean sometimes you get outplayed?

As someone who watched Pawn dunk Faker two games in a row in lane, literally solo killing the "best midlaner on earth" multiple times, there's a lot more to it than that.
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Post Post #3063 (ISO) » Tue Mar 24, 2015 6:55 am

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I don't think Shiphtur is really that good anymore. By all accounts he didn't mesh well with Zion and some other teammates he's had, either.
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Post Post #3064 (ISO) » Tue Mar 24, 2015 7:53 am

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so... link sometimes loses. Solution, bring in the most inconsistent mid in NA (pobelter) or the guy who consistently doesn't have an impact (shiphtur).

This split, Link and Aphro have been carrying CLG. God knows it's not zion or xmithie who do it. It's really quite harsh to put the losses they do get on Link. He's no Bjergsen who hardcarries 90% of the games, but he's clearly among the top of the mids in NA right now.
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Post Post #3065 (ISO) » Tue Mar 24, 2015 8:49 am

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Yeah, but that isn't saying a whole lot if most mids of NA are shit. If CLG want to have any impact on the bigger stages, he needs to be replaced.
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Post Post #3066 (ISO) » Tue Mar 24, 2015 8:56 am

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If all of the mids in NA are shit, who are you expect them to replace Link with? He's a solid player. CLG's roster right now is the best they have had in a long time, there isn't a single player i'd drop.
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Post Post #3067 (ISO) » Tue Mar 24, 2015 8:57 am

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I thought Link was pretty bad during Season 4, but he's been good this split for the most part.
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Post Post #3068 (ISO) » Tue Mar 24, 2015 9:04 am

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All of CLG was bad in season 4.
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Post Post #3069 (ISO) » Tue Mar 24, 2015 9:06 am

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In post 3064, mykonian wrote:so... link sometimes loses. Solution, bring in the most inconsistent mid in NA (pobelter) or the guy who consistently doesn't have an impact (shiphtur).

This split, Link and Aphro have been carrying CLG. God knows it's not zion or xmithie who do it. It's really quite harsh to put the losses they do get on Link. He's no Bjergsen who hardcarries 90% of the games, but he's clearly among the top of the mids in NA right now.


Uh...

Aphro, yes. Link, no.

Link is pretty clearly CLG's weakest player
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Post Post #3070 (ISO) » Tue Mar 24, 2015 9:06 am

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Also, Yusui still exists. There's probably other young talent they can find.
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Post Post #3071 (ISO) » Tue Mar 24, 2015 9:07 am

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Post Post #3072 (ISO) » Tue Mar 24, 2015 9:27 am

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In post 3058, BROseidon wrote:Hai's shotcalling is really hard to imitate because it's so creative. Like, the shotcalling on clg right now is really good because they always just make the "right" call. C9's shotcalling has been amazing because Hai sees opportunities that don't seem to exist.


can you explain what hai's shot calling is like?
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Post Post #3073 (ISO) » Tue Mar 24, 2015 9:29 am

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In post 3066, Venmar wrote:If all of the mids in NA are shit, who are you expect them to replace Link with? He's a solid player. CLG's roster right now is the best they have had in a long time, there isn't a single player i'd drop.
They should import a mid, clearly.
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Post Post #3074 (ISO) » Tue Mar 24, 2015 9:30 am

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