New York 180 (Endgame)

[goodmorning]

There is absolutely zero reason to discount Shinobi as a Scum option.

[SilverWolf]

I'd still prefer to look elsewhere.

Why don't we look at some of the fa push? There has to be at least one scum there.

In one of my past games I was tracked to nowhere N1. Guess what? I was scum. I know right? Can you believe it?

Scum ended up winning that game so yeah, I'm not letting anyone off the hook or looking elsewhere only because of a went nowhere result.

[Shinobi]

Yo, if you guys are actually going to suspect me then at least have the balls to question me instead of playing around the possibilities behind track results.

[Ozgin]

Sorry, fell behind a bit

@T S O -- Why do you say you doubt there's a Serial Killer, exactly? I mean, as far as I'm concerned, if there's only one scum team (Which we have no evidence to support a second team, either), then unless there were TWO vigilante's night one, which seems unbalanced and unlikely in a normal game of mafia, then there

has

to be either a Serial Killer or a Werewolf team, and with this few players and only one anti-town kill (pisskop), then I don't see why a Serial Killer is unlikely?

Also, what happened to the TSO/Cheetory conflict? Why did that die out so easily? I'm a little behind (a few pages, I just skimmed from the start of the day to here), but I feel like there's almost no TSO/Cheetory rub anymore and that's kinda strange to me.

As far as ABR's tracker results go, thanks to the shitty way he played the middle few days, I don't think we can reliably use any of his "results" as evidence. ABR lied about everything he could, every chance he had. It's hurting us now in the long run. Is there any real case against Shinobi that doesn't involve ABR?

@dragonspawn: I feel like I was the only person who

didn't

catch NS's doctor crumb, so why do you think it makes GM scummy that she did?

My To-Do List:
Read up on Kitz
Read up on dragonspawn

[dragonspawn]

I don't see why looking elsewhere today is upsetting you guys so much. Especially since none of you are voting for him.

[dragonspawn]

I've backed off of gm for the moment.

[Ozgin]

I've backed off of gm for the moment.

Fair, but why

did

you think she was scum, exactly? Be specific, please?

[SilverWolf]

I don't see why looking elsewhere today is upsetting you guys so much. Especially since none of you are voting for him.

Who says we are upset? I don't want go nowhere results to discount anyone.

I've backed off of gm for the moment.

Because of the blowback you got for it today?

[Kitz]

Hm, I think your internet is fine now Wolf.
Just pointing that out.

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#Everyone: We still have not solved the mystery of the first night. Pisskoff was killed (who was scum), Boonskies died (who was doctor), and Viking claimed being attacked and healed.
So here's my wacky "What The Fuck" theory. Is there a mafia role who suicides itself in order to turn another into mafia? Back where I am from, we have that role.
Inb4 a thousand facepalms.

[SilverWolf]

Hm, I think your internet is fine now Wolf.
Just pointing that out.

Thanks for the feedback.

[Ozgin]

Hm, I think your internet is fine now Wolf.
Just pointing that out.

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#Everyone: We still have not solved the mystery of the first night. Pisskoff was killed (who was scum), Boonskies died (who was doctor), and Viking claimed being attacked and healed.
So here's my wacky "What The Fuck" theory. Is there a mafia role who suicides itself in order to turn another into mafia? Back where I am from, we have that role.
Inb4 a thousand facepalms.

*one-thousand facepalms*

But no, I've never heard of such a role, and if it is a thing it isn't Normal. There has to be a non-town third party, and I'd be willing to bet my bananas it's a SK.

[Kitz]

Well, 3 kills and I really doubt more than one is from a faction. There's lack of kills after. No one claimed healed other than Viking. There's lack of flips to reflect on the mystery itself.
So what about those two additional?

Inb4 2x oneshot vigilantes.ame role flip.

The fact that there's lack of appropriate flips other than doctors, lack of healed, lack of evidence for consistensy, so my reads are all over the flipping place.

Wouldn't it be apropriate for the Oneshot Vigi to already claim since he's useless anyway now?
So fucking confused.

[SilverWolf]

I'm not going to play outguess the mod. It never works, wastes time, and doesn't contribute to scumhunting in any real way.

[Shinobi]

Kitz that would fall under moderator lies I think. Pisskop flipped roleblocker, not yakuza or some variant thereof.

[Shinobi]

Posting at work is so clunky lmfao.

[Kitz]

I think I give up on overall guessing.
Who's up for drawing straws if we fail to find someone?

[dragonspawn]

I've backed off of gm for the moment.

Fair, but why

did

you think she was scum, exactly? Be spiecific, please?

Ask your neighbor.

[T S O]

@TSO, as someone who knows your scumgame, that's not an accurate representation of yours.

It has been.

VOTE: dragonspawn

goodmorning goes up into town, unrelated to dragon's things.

tso is nullscum again. part of me thinking he was town end of yesterday was related to me being hugely overconfident about fa_q2 scum. i feel like a lot of his recent posts now in hindsight go along with that, like he's pushing easy targets that town has already made a case on or driving a lynch on. just... his recent attacks and scumreads seem to be pushing easy target after easy target.

actually i kind of really want to just lynch tso but nobody's probably up for that.

pedit oh my god that response pings as honest town though gahhhhhhh

UNVOTE:

...recalculating............ this is.....

why do i get the feeling that we just have a lot of town outclassed by scum in experience at looking town?? shinobi, tso? i could see those two easily driving a scumteam.

i'm just going to get rid of my do-not-lynch list entirely and go for the easier, less-potential-disaster option between those two. there's an added benefit in that i don't remember any significant reads on or from him or things he's done. scum removing himself from significant interactions? likely

VOTE: shinobi

Fully support a Marquis wagon at this juncture, will probably push it sooner or later.

Wonder what that'll do to your reads, Marquis.

Marquis are you going to call me scum for bullshit reasons again?

You know how well that worked out for you last time.

Show us?

Yo, if you guys are actually going to suspect me then at least have the balls to question me instead of playing around the possibilities behind track results.

This is a good response.

@T S O -- Why do you say you doubt there's a Serial Killer, exactly? I mean, as far as I'm concerned, if there's only one scum team (Which we have no evidence to support a second team, either), then unless there were TWO vigilante's night one, which seems unbalanced and unlikely in a normal game of mafia, then there

has

to be either a Serial Killer or a Werewolf team, and with this few players and only one anti-town kill (pisskop), then I don't see why a Serial Killer is unlikely?

Because there have been 4 nights and one kill in multiple nights where there should be

at least

2 constantly.

Also, what happened to the TSO/Cheetory conflict? Why did that die out so easily? I'm a little behind (a few pages, I just skimmed from the start of the day to here), but I feel like there's almost no TSO/Cheetory rub anymore and that's kinda strange to me.

Actually, one of my current tinfoil-hat theories which is beginning to gnaw at me is that one of the conduits to Nobody Special's death was scum realising - and Cheetory had a moment where I refused to discuss it and that could have tipped him off.

At the same time, it was beginning to get extremely obvious - that's the counterargument going back and forth in my head.

I've backed off of gm for the moment.

Fair, but why

did

you think she was scum, exactly? Be spiecific, please?

Ask your neighbor.

What the fuck does this mean?

[T S O]

Wouldn't it be apropriate for the Oneshot Vigi to already claim since he's useless anyway now?
So fucking confused.

No, because he becomes conftown in a town of many not-confirmed players and gets shot tonight.

[dragonspawn]

I think it's self evident what it means.

[T S O]

Ozgin is not in a neighbourhood.

[dragonspawn]

Ozgin is not in a neighbourhood.

And how would you know that?

[T S O]

Because I have seen no evidence to the contrary, and I do not randomly assume people are neighbours for no reason.

[T S O]

What interests me is how -you- know this.

[dragonspawn]

What interests me is how -you- know this.

House told me day 1.

We had an entire conversation on it.