New York 180 (Endgame)

[Cheetory6]

I really feel like you're scum.
I feel like you're smart scum trying to slowly try careful and cautious methods to undermine me.
I feel like your change on ABR was bullshit and I can't articulate in a conveyable way why.
I feel like some of your anger this game has been exaggerated for affect.
Can I logically argue any of these points in a convincing way?
Not really.
I have no smoking gun.
I don't think you're being unfair. I just think you're scum. And I'm sad at myself for being shitty at making it clear to other people.

[Cheetory6]

I have shown my motivation as town for it, which basically was apathy and anger.

Yeah except that was reasoning you added later after being prodded about it.
Your initial reasoning had no mention of apathy or anger, it was entirely logical.

Fuck whatever.
I'm not going to win this fight.

[dragonspawn]

Dragon why does TSO feel town to you.
Articulate it.

because his posts feel genuinely annoyed with the towns bad play. Scum wouldn't be genuine in the least.

Seriously? There's nothing fun about winning a game because the Town imploded.

that's lame. Scum would be actively trying to make town implode

[Nobody Special]

Prod dodge.

I doubt I've missed anything earthshattering.

[goodmorning]

Dragon why does TSO feel town to you.
Articulate it.

because his posts feel genuinely annoyed with the towns bad play. Scum wouldn't be genuine in the least.

Seriously? There's nothing fun about winning a game because the Town imploded.

that's lame. Scum would be actively trying to make town implode

It really sucks when Town does it for you, is my point.

[T S O]

I think it's unfair in general that I feel like I'm right here and I just don't know how to combine the words to make it make sense.

If the only place it makes sense is in your head, it probably doesn't make sense.

[T S O]

FA, still waiting on those reads/content/something at all.

[SilverWolf]

FA, still waiting on those reads/content/something at all.

I am waiting on this as well FA.

[T S O]

I'm in two minds about Cheetory - his attempt to yell me down was scummy, his resigned tone on the end of the last page was townish, but that only came after I pointed out that yelling was what I'd expect scum-Cheetory to do. Is he playing to me, or is it legitimate resignation? I don't know.

[FA_Q2]

FA, still waiting on those reads/content/something at all.

I am waiting on this as well FA.

FA, still waiting on those reads/content/something at all.

Reads in a nutshell:
Kitz – town lean. Kitz is trying to lurk though and that is bothering me. Her reaoning for this is dumb IMHO – town does not need to lurk to get suspicion off them, that is a scum motivation. Not getting scum from other actions though.

Shinobi - null. I get nothing from shinobi at all.

Nobody special – not willing to lynch here for ‘reasons’

dragonspawn – been scum reading dragon for a while. Not liking the subdued way he is playing. One thing is for sure, dragon has NOT added anything that resembles scum hunting for a very long time. The one case that I can remember is against GM as ‘gloating.’

SilverWolf – town

elusive – hard town

Flubber – already laid case out and it is only getting worse. Looks very scummy.

Aeronaut – leaning scum in general because areo has been posting mostly fluff and avoiding any real scum hunting. At times I forget that he is even in the game.

Ozgin – Town lean/null. Hard to read because his posts seem quite controlled.

T S O
Cheetory6
I don’t like the latest interaction here as it is eclipsing the game. TSO is mostly null and I have has a slight scum lean on cheeto for a while because of his tunneling. The problem I have with TSO is that he seems overly defensive and all over cheeto who is leading the charge against him. There has been almost no one jumping on that wagon all game so I don’t see the reason to have such a strong reaction. Further, the forming a wagon on TSO has seemed particularly difficult considering how hard cheeto has pushed him a few times. The last few pages really does read as a frustrated townie though for both of them.


Wakeslot is my strongest scum read atm which is why my vote is there. I don’t know what way I would lean on the latest either/or situation with TSO and cheeto.


Good Morning – Scum.
Lots of posts without content:

Spoiler: quote fix

I thought the only point of not hammering was so that everyone could post reads?

If we're just going to shit up the thread then I'm going to

Vote: ABR

I don't understand anything.

Someone should do something sheepable.

Vote: dragon

til then.

You may notice the word I use there is "weird."

I'm starting to think SilverWolf is Town? I don't know, this game doesn't make sense anymore.

elusive could be Scum. I don't know anything.

I only did it for the applause

or something

I couldn't think of any appropriately flippant song lyrics, so...

I could get on this FAQ wagon.
I am OK with it.

Vote: FAQ

That's somewhere between L-2 and L-4, I can't count.

I could actually join a wagon on Shinobi.

Or TSO for that last post.

Basically, GM’s recent posts include “lets jump on that wagon” or “I am willing to lynch X” without anything that I can identify as actual content. Almost completely vapid. Does not take any real stance on flubber – stating that the replacement is weird if scum because of the problems town is having. An argument already explored by many. Then starts going down the opposite road stating “It really sucks when Town does it for you, is my point.” Lots of whishy washy sentiments.

If I were to select the lynchee at this point it would either be Flubber or GM.

@ika – please update OP – flub and GM’s replacements are not entered on the player list.

[SilverWolf]

Flubber isn't in this game FA-who are you talking about there?

[FA_Q2]

LOL. I have no idea how I placed him there. That was supposed to be Marquis.

[SilverWolf]

I agree with your scumread on GM and Wake/Marquis. dragon I am starting to see the case on as well only because his posing has changed dramatically but I doubt both he and GM are scum together. Kitz and elusive are townreads but I'd be willing to look harder at Kitz if needed. NS is town for now. Shinobi is a very hard read and null. I've been lightly townreading Aero but he's slacking big time and I could reconsider. Ozgin is a light townread due to House and other things. TSO and Cheetory-well I don't know if it's tvt or there is scum in one of them. I mean Cheetory puts up a good fight but backs down and gives up easily which is hard to believe that town would do if they think they have scum. T S O is defending himself well but he has to as either alignment-I've gotten frustrated town from him as well as defensive scum.

So yeah, I don't see too much that looks overly scummy from FA with his latest reads and it seems those pushing him gave up pretty fast as well.

So much apathy...............................

[Kitz]

Kitz – town lean. Kitz is trying to lurk though and that is bothering me. Her reaoning for this is dumb IMHO – town does not need to lurk to get suspicion off them, that is a scum motivation. Not getting scum from other actions though.

I never said I'm lurking to avoid suspicion. Selective reading is bad.

[dragonspawn]

Simply because I hunt differently than you doesn't mean I'm not hunting.

where has aero been lately though?

[FA_Q2]

Kitz – town lean. Kitz is trying to lurk though and that is bothering me. Her reaoning for this is dumb IMHO – town does not need to lurk to get suspicion off them, that is a scum motivation. Not getting scum from other actions though.

I never said I'm lurking to avoid suspicion. Selective reading is bad.

That is not selective reading - that is exactly how this post reads:

What is your take on Aeronaut\TSO?

I do not have a proper read on them. At this point it's just biased gut feeling because of how the game went.

Also, now that you're back.

I'm lurking.

And on an unrelated note, I'm kinda unmotivated and meh-ish. Betrayed by town, trolled by town, conned by town, and et cetera.

lurking and then you quote yourself where you are unmotivated because "Betrayed by town, trolled by town, conned by town, and et cetera." Basically sounds to me like you don't like the fact that town was scum reading and attacking you so you decided to lurk to throw it off. Can you explain it another way?

[FA_Q2]

Simply because I hunt differently than you doesn't mean I'm not hunting.

where has aero been lately though?

Hunting differently is fine. I don't see hunting in general.

[Kitz]

lurking and then you quote yourself where you are unmotivated because "Betrayed by town, trolled by town, conned by town, and et cetera." Basically sounds to me like you don't like the fact that town was scum reading and attacking you so you decided to lurk to throw it off.

Can you explain it another way?

How about "This game is so fucked up and stupid that the past isn't really worth reading anymore so I'm just gonna depress into the Now and see what happens"?
I really don't know how to explain. I can be rather literal and I have my own use of words. I did say I'm unmotivated, so unless something Actually of interest pops up that doesn't mimmic the freaking spectacles before...

And I said nothing about scum attacking me at all. That's not what I said.
Someone gamethrew, another somewhat under a gambit, another was just so scummy in general without even an attempt to fix it, that the general town just attacked itself. Not me specifically. Every PR is dead lewl.
On top of that we got the enemy factions.
Gee. All we got is interactions, and I'm just white noise after seeing how the previous prods went.

[FA_Q2]

lurking and then you quote yourself where you are unmotivated because "Betrayed by town, trolled by town, conned by town, and et cetera." Basically sounds to me like you don't like the fact that town was scum reading and attacking you so you decided to lurk to throw it off.

Can you explain it another way?

How about "This game is so fucked up and stupid that the past isn't really worth reading anymore so I'm just gonna depress into the Now and see what happens"?
I really don't know how to explain. I can be rather literal and I have my own use of words. I did say I'm unmotivated, so unless something Actually of interest pops up that doesn't mimmic the freaking spectacles before...

And I said nothing about scum attacking me at all. That's not what I said.
Someone gamethrew, another somewhat under a gambit, another was just so scummy in general without even an attempt to fix it, that the general town just attacked itself. Not me specifically. Every PR is dead lewl.
On top of that we got the enemy factions.
Gee. All we got is interactions, and I'm just white noise after seeing how the previous prods went.

I can understand this. Most of town felt the same way at some point in this game.

[Marquis]

VOTE: fa_q2

this is going on again

tso leaning nullscum, he's just reminding me a lot of his specific aggressive scumplay

[dragonspawn]

VOTE: marquis

I'd prefer gm. But as that doesn't happen and I don't care for the fa wagon I may as well jump on the counter wagon.

[T S O]

"oh fa is scum"
"wait no"
"oh tso is scum"
"wait no"
"oh fa is scum again"

What are you doing, Marquis?

[ika]

@ika – please update OP – flub and GM’s replacements are not entered on the player list.

done, also fixed your spoiler fail

just an FYI if you do spoiler

it will look like this

you need to do

Spoiler: this

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[FA_Q2]

Thanks ika.

I didn't know where I had screwed up and now I do

[goodmorning]

I'm getting bored with people scumreading me for not doing anything.

Hello, I'm gm, and I'm usually lazy. Nice to meet all of you.