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Post Post #1425 (ISO) » Thu Jul 12, 2007 2:27 pm

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Yay! You got a mafia! There are now 15 of you alive. It will take 8 to lynch.

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Post Post #1426 (ISO) » Thu Jul 12, 2007 2:31 pm

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Hm. It's not 12 noon tomorrow. W/e that's cool.

MoS was scum. That throws me for a loop, honestly. Thanks SK!


vote: BM
for reasons expressed yesterday. I, like BillyTwilight, note his decision NOT to take a stand on the two wagons.



I am very happy Albert was town. I think YB is probably town as well, but I felt Albert was more likely to be and while we don't know if YB was a "right" lynch wagon, he certainly wasn't a wrong one :D!
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Post Post #1427 (ISO) » Thu Jul 12, 2007 2:36 pm

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Guardian wrote:I am very happy Albert was town.
Major FoS: Guardian
... even though I didn't think Albert was scum, I was definitely hoping that I was dead wrong. Protown players should never hope that lynchees turn out to be town.
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Post Post #1428 (ISO) » Thu Jul 12, 2007 2:37 pm

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If Albert was scum, I'd have likely been heavily pressured and mislynched today. I didn't want that. :P.
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Post Post #1429 (ISO) » Thu Jul 12, 2007 2:41 pm

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But we'd still be out one scum, and there's still be a distinct chance that you would *NOT* have gotten lynched today. Preferring a townlynch to promote your own self-survival over a scumlynch to help the town as a whole win is a Bad Thing. It doesn't matter if hypothetical GuardianTown dies as long as the town wins.
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Post Post #1430 (ISO) » Thu Jul 12, 2007 2:42 pm

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I'm back, still suck. I do, however, seem to recall Yogurt jumping in to answer a question I asked MoS (how he knew Billy was town, if I'm remembering correctly) and HungryJoe getting all ad hom on me when I pointed that out.

Chew on that till tomorrow, when I really, really,
really
will post something big and huge and shiney and worthwhile.
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Post Post #1431 (ISO) » Thu Jul 12, 2007 2:43 pm

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You are right. I guess that I have a bit too much of a survivor mentality in games :P.

BM, explain not voting at deadline yesterday.
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Post Post #1432 (ISO) » Thu Jul 12, 2007 3:57 pm

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Vote: Guardian


You can go die now, scum.

Hey vig, if you exist, stop being a coward. You've wasted two perfectly good nights already. YB should be dead by now. And a BM kill on N0 is never a bad thing.
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Post Post #1433 (ISO) » Thu Jul 12, 2007 4:01 pm

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Sarcastro,

I am not scum. Are you, though?
A BM lynch on day 2 never a bad thing*.
Unvote and vote BM please.

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*when he is scum
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Post Post #1434 (ISO) » Thu Jul 12, 2007 4:41 pm

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Nothing happened that would make me change my mind about this.

Vote Guardian


I will be looking a little closer at ~N9V~/MoS. I can't remember who said it, but they were right about ~N9V~ when he lurks.
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Post Post #1435 (ISO) » Thu Jul 12, 2007 5:06 pm

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I was one of the people to single out ~N9V~. I may have cast the first vote for him.

I disregarded him though, especially when people pressured others to "not waste votes". :P. A la BM. Which is among the many reasons I want to see people voting him.

FOS: all the people on my list as of dusk yesterday
, but I only have one vote and don't want to build cases on 5 people at once and let it get lost amidst noise.


...MoS had me fooled when he replaced in, though.
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Post Post #1436 (ISO) » Thu Jul 12, 2007 5:10 pm

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Vote:Guardian


I would suggest chainsawing Glork tonight. ;)
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Post Post #1437 (ISO) » Thu Jul 12, 2007 5:15 pm

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I
really
want to stop this wagon before it starts. Someone give me a case to address, if required.

Alternatively, all of you could realize that there isn't some PR today that in your first post you have to vote me :|.

Stop this group-think mentality and start discussing things, like my case on BM, for example. Or
why
you are voting for me. Thanks.

@TCS -- I see where you are coming from on Glork -- but what are your reasons?
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Post Post #1438 (ISO) » Thu Jul 12, 2007 5:26 pm

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I am SO proud of the SK. Guardian, you should have known when MoS attacked me in his initial post and kept his vote on me for most of the day that he was scum. I am delicious spicy town, not unlike a chipotle remoulade, and probably wasn't nightkilled because scum knew I'd be protected after my stellar D1 :D

In all modesty though, Albert as town was disappointing and humbling. Lots of people ignored MoS's bizarre behavior yesterday, and he treated a few people unevenly, including Guardian and Albert. Much to think about in light of these recent discoveries.
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Post Post #1439 (ISO) » Thu Jul 12, 2007 5:29 pm

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I don't think Yogurt has the panache to post this as scum:
YB wrote:I actually belive MoS is the only one on the bandwagon that is Pro-town for the most part, since his case one me contains more info from himself and less info from Billy's Pbpa, but maybe that just what he wants.
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Post Post #1440 (ISO) » Thu Jul 12, 2007 5:31 pm

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Cool -- someone didn't vote me in their first post. Yeah, MoS had me fooled by protecting me. All that crap about "easy day one lynch that happens but is bad". I was like, yay, someone sees that I am town. It makes me think YB and Albert are both town though, since MoS was perfectly willing to put focus on both of them.

MBL, lol nice SK plan, the SK *did* hit scum.

One thing I want to clear up: Part of why I was happy Albert was town was because (presumably) it will mean less suspicion for me today -- but part of it was because I got something *right* in this game, which I felt I had been playing badly until the end of day 1.


@Sarcastro, why exactly should YB be dead if we have a vigilante?
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Post Post #1441 (ISO) » Thu Jul 12, 2007 5:33 pm

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Glork wrote:MBL needs killed tonight.
In light of what we know now, care to revise and extend your remarks?
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Post Post #1442 (ISO) » Thu Jul 12, 2007 11:32 pm

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yeh i figured i'd get some stick for that today. Not that i expect YOU to believe me, but i did genuinely forget to come back, after having left while waiting for others to respond. However, i was leaning towards voting Albert in any case, so the decision wasn't one i would have opposed.

However i'm not liking your posts ALREADY.

What makes you assume that MoS was an SK kill?

The section i have bolded also strikes me as odd:
Guardian wrote:Hm. It's not 12 noon tomorrow. W/e that's cool.

MoS was scum. That throws me for a loop, honestly. Thanks SK!


vote: BM for reasons expressed yesterday. I, like BillyTwilight, note his decision NOT to take a stand on the two wagons.



I am very happy Albert was town
. I think YB is probably town as well, but I felt Albert was more likely to be and while we don't know if YB was a "right" lynch wagon, he certainly wasn't a wrong one :D!
This doesn't strike me as something a Mafia Member would say. If there's one thing that seems genuine about Guardian, it is his bewilderedness with regard to other players roles. That indicates to me that he is an SK.
Of course, this suspicion combined with his CONGRATULATION of the SK, and his evident interest in the role of MoS, gives me a very strong vibe that he is the SK, probably hoping to kill a protown power role.

Vote: Guardian


Oh and don't forget to note his backtracking on the YB issue of yesterday. Makes me think that YB is probably town aswell.

and while we're here add to the list of scummy behaviour, Appeal to Emotion (with regard to Sarc). And is it the case that MoS defended Guardian? if so, that has to be another feather in his cap of scumminess. :p

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Post Post #1443 (ISO) » Fri Jul 13, 2007 1:56 am

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Ut-oh. BM is on the wagon. Time to get off it.
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Post Post #1444 (ISO) » Fri Jul 13, 2007 1:57 am

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Oh, and
Vote: Battle Mage
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Post Post #1445 (ISO) » Fri Jul 13, 2007 2:06 am

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inHimshallibe wrote:
Mastermind of Sin wrote:
unvote, vote: YogurtBandit


I'm tired of the way he keeps jumping in to answer questions that are asked to other people. This is something that scum seems to tend to do, and I don't know of any precendence of YB doing this as town, so this evidence adds to the other things he's done that I thought were scummy. MBL can wait, YB is today's lynch.

Glork, with me!
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I really don't think you're scum... at the moment... but I'm not sure you're pointed in the right direction.

Then again, the point some mafia try to make is to cause confusion... so,
FOS: MoS


Hmm, I don't FOS much. Take note of that one, peeps. o.O
MoS swung votes away from Guardian, which is worthy of note.

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Albert B. Rampage – 8 – Yosarian2, xyzzy, MrBuddyLee, HackerHuck, YogurtBandit, Shteven, The Central Scrutinizer, inHimShallIBe
YogurtBandit – 8 – Sarcastro, Billy Twilight,
HungryJoe
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Albert B. Rampage
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Mastermind of Sin
, Guardian

Guardian – 2 – Battle Mage, AutumnEvenings

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Battle Mage early bandwagon – 8 - Glork, BillyTwilight, Guardian, AutumnEvenings,
HungryJoe
, The Central Scrutinizer, yogurtbandit, Sarcastro

If BM is town or SK, I expect there to be two scum in the above. If he is scum, very likely there is only one scum voting him.

End of Day spread:
Voting for ABR – YB, TCS
Voting for YB – Glork, BT,
Hungry Joe
, Sarcastro, Guardian
Not voting either of the above – AE

People that I mentally clear: YB, BT, AE – this leaves TCS, Glork, Sarcastro, Guardian where there is at
least
one scum, again imo. I noted the Day’s end vote counts because I think scum would separate themselves after being clumped together on an early bandwagon (remember this all hinges on the fact that I believe BM is town). Given all these assumptions, I see an isolation.

vote: The Central Scrutinizer
- and now I also see the unprovoked unvote of Guardian. Yes, I liked this vote Yesterday, and encourage it Today.
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Post Post #1446 (ISO) » Fri Jul 13, 2007 2:21 am

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Hmm. Well, Whatever MBL said to the SK mustve Told him to go after scum.

Im surprised at this quick bandwagon on Guardian the first page(Not nesscarily all votes, but mostyly all attacks.), But I do understand the reasoning. With , 15 Alive, Its 8 to lynch, and I think he has Been at -4.

Bm, Did you mean to not vote yesterday because you wanted ALbert, or Did you not vote because you forgot?
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Post Post #1447 (ISO) » Fri Jul 13, 2007 2:30 am

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Augh, I think my line breaks messed up the page width.
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Post Post #1448 (ISO) » Fri Jul 13, 2007 2:34 am

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Not liking Guardian's attack on BM at the moment. Could you explain again why you're suspciious of hum?

Also, at the end of the day yesterday, Guardian, you suddenly did a 180 turn and started to suspect YogurtBandit, but now you haven't mentioned him at all yet today. Could you explain this, please?
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Post Post #1449 (ISO) » Fri Jul 13, 2007 2:46 am

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YogurtBandit wrote:Hmm. Well, Whatever MBL said to the SK mustve Told him to go after scum.

Im surprised at this quick bandwagon on Guardian the first page(Not nesscarily all votes, but mostyly all attacks.), But I do understand the reasoning. With , 15 Alive, Its 8 to lynch, and I think he has Been at -4.

Bm, Did you mean to not vote yesterday because you wanted ALbert, or Did you not vote because you forgot?
lol i did genuinely forget to come back in time to vote, however had i voted, i was leaning towards Albert anyway.

@Yos-actually he has mentioned YB. He has said that he thought YB was probably town! :shock:

@Inhimshallibe-I see what you are getting at, but really your evidence on TCS is only valid once Guardian is proven scum. Of course, in my mind, he is at this stage, but it'd be nice to see the report for the benefit of everyone else.

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