New York 180 (Endgame)

[elusive]

No I'm not the doctor.

[FakedBlogger]

The emotional reactions are overwrought to a degree that I don't understand unless NJ has some serious issues with females in particular which then need to be addressed by OOG things.

Nah, I make fun of stupidity that's all. Then stupidity puffs up and acts ridiculous and I'm trying to laugh but I'm actually sad. Why does stupidity have to exist, not to mention be defended and promoted. It's all so 1984 that I'm actually scared because it's way more powerful than intelligence, to be honest.

[Albert B. Rampage]

ABR, if VF flips town cop are you willing to be the quick lynch next day? I don't mean like arbitrary "saying it for the sake of saying it," I mean really since you seem 100% sure and unless you were town cop or actually a PR you're insistence is to be believed why.

Also, your meta is that you are ruthless, manipulative and will say anything which is what I remember from the first game so pot kettle. And you tried to kill me town too.

Yes. Help me and I won't put up a fight if I'm wrong.

[Wake1]

So I leave to take a shower for about ten minutes, and 2.5 pages apparently fly by.

Wake me up when we have something important to talk about.

[vikingfan]

And I'm with Mathblade on the accusation of cheating. such accusations don't belong in the thread and detract severely from the game. UNVOTE: VOTE: NJ.

Wake, this is scum. Please help me. I'm growing more isolated and I don't want to mislynch today. I care about this game.

Getting Wake on board will do nothing, you need 10 to lynch and you're asking one. It's not happening. Why do you think NJ is town given his scummy play yesterday? and i have likewise responded in a nonpersonal way.

elusive, cop, get to investigate once every night, if something happens where I don't get a result, I get a PM stating as such. What are you missing? I'm confused why so many people are asking repeatedly.

Are there other reasons that you're voting for him?
It looked to me like you were just saying that he was being toxic and thus should be voted out.

No, I've been on him for awhile due to his scummy hammer yesterday among other things and have been asking why people haven't been following him for while today. I just decided to up the pressure with an actual vote and see if we could get somewhere.

elusive, I have a better idea. Rather than using ABR as a quicklynch tomorrow, just ask the vig inthread (if we have one) to shoot ABR overnight when I flip as town and save ourselves the trouble of a lynch and get more data.

[vikingfan]

So I leave to take a shower for about ten minutes, and 2.5 pages apparently fly by.

Wake me up when we have something important to talk about.

We're talking and playing. Play. This is doing nothing but hurt town.

[FakedBlogger]

Getting Wake on board will do nothing, you need 10 to lynch and you're asking one. It's not happening. Why do you think NJ is town given his scummy play yesterday? and i have likewise responded in a nonpersonal way.

What was scummy about my play yesterday, scummyboy?

[Wake1]

So I leave to take a shower for about ten minutes, and 2.5 pages apparently fly by.

Wake me up when we have something important to talk about.

We're talking and playing. Play. This is doing nothing but hurt town.

What should we talk about? I am

not

reading 2,500 posts.

I don't know where to begin.

[elusive]

I wonder though about the orange part quoted in the doctor information.

Do players never really get a result if they are healed? Didn't mafiascum make Town of Salem and in there the player knows about the doctor?

NakedJogger, unfortunately I've never been the intelligent one of the group but I do admire intelligence. I don't deride people for their lack of things though because frankly that's just hubris. Your aggro seems to come out against me, Kitz, and MathBlade only over anyone else who may exhibit your disliked quality so therefore check yourself.

Instead of responding overwrought maybe you should just stick to the way you respond to TSO or Aeronaut.

1984 was a good book and scary because in some ways American media operates on that level. I liked Brave New World more though, possibly because of Shakespearian references. One person's dystopia is another person's utopia.

[vikingfan]

Getting Wake on board will do nothing, you need 10 to lynch and you're asking one. It's not happening. Why do you think NJ is town given his scummy play yesterday? and i have likewise responded in a nonpersonal way.

What was scummy about my play yesterday, scummyboy?

Mind explaining your sudden hammer of kc yesterday, for starters? and I liked 1984.

[Nobody Special]

I'm confused why so many people are asking repeatedly.

Probably because you seem unable to settle on one version and stick with it.

[Albert B. Rampage]

OK, Wake. My contentions are:

1) Viking is scum.
2) Ellie is anti-town.

Which would you like to hear about first?

Also note that there seems to be a vote block of different permutations of goodmorning, kitz, mathblade, elusive and ellie. Some of this group are trying to get a lynch on NJ, others me. I call it a vote block because they never vote each other and are fairly aligned in their vision besides a small deviation in lynch targets (me or NJ). I don't think they are all scum but it's dangerous.

[vikingfan]

So I leave to take a shower for about ten minutes, and 2.5 pages apparently fly by.

Wake me up when we have something important to talk about.

We're talking and playing. Play. This is doing nothing but hurt town.

What should we talk about? I am

not

reading 2,500 posts.

I don't know where to begin.

What's your stance on me, ABR, ellie, NJ, and cheetory, for starters?

[FakedBlogger]

Getting Wake on board will do nothing, you need 10 to lynch and you're asking one. It's not happening. Why do you think NJ is town given his scummy play yesterday? and i have likewise responded in a nonpersonal way.

What was scummy about my play yesterday, scummyboy?

Mind explaining your sudden hammer of kc yesterday, for starters? and I liked 1984.

NO! You explain to me what was scummy about it. Go

[Wake1]

Doctors don't get told if their protection was successful. They don't get told anything.

Did this used to be the case in earlier Mafia games?

[Nobody Special]

Doctors don't get told if their protection was successful. They don't get told anything.

Did this used to be the case in earlier Mafia games?

Never, as far as I recall.

[Kitz]

Could it have been a Freudian slip? Imagine this: At night, a player is reading the thread looking for who to nk. That player finds some profoundly awesome piece of evidence that somehow slipped under everyone's radar. The next day, when the person who was nk'd was revealed to be something awesome (like Boon's doctor PR), everyone is kinda getting ready to move on, but the player who found the evidence gets a little egotistical. They want people to realize how cool they are for discovering this awesome, barely noticeable piece of evidence, so they make the error of pointing it out. It's as if they were to say, "Man that NK was a great job on the scum team, they must be pretty damn smart! I bet they're awesome players!" And then just sits there and smiles as they stroke their own ego.

I'd point out the slip of Boon if it wasn't already pointed out. It's a basic case of ISO + CTRL+F and then search "Doctor" which is his role, after the confirmed flip.
That's something anyone should be able to do.

The issue and the question would be, who would see the slip pre-flip?
I think this is what's suspicious to slip under the radar. Instead of thinking of this possibility as to how she found it, everyone instead thinks it's a slip about NK target.

I'd like to take a little more attention towards those who let this slip under the radar too easy.
Using reverse psychology, I might also note suspicion towards those that agree with those giving the blame. (subtle buddying)

Seriously, how hard is it to use the brain to think "Oh, he flipped Doctor. I wonder if he slipped somewhere claiming Doctor?"

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Why do I see continued patterns of voting the same players while saying that the scummy targets should be pressured, but not voting them?
Scummy or not, it just repeats. And repeats. Almost like it's your goal to lynch that player.

My opinion, NJ or ABR should be lynched.
NJ has clear reasons as to why NJ should be lynched, and would give a very wast amount of information if Scum.
ABR is currently Obv!Scum due to his mistakes. One thing? Sure. Two? Maybe. A hundred different reasons and fails on one thing while being experienced?

NO

I refuse to vote Viking for this reason : If he's Town, he'll die in the night. If he Survive, he can give a valuable clue before flipping Scum / Town. If Town and he finds Scum, that claim is confirmed. If he's Scum, WIFOM on why that target is innocent. Nevertheless, if he's Town, wasting a lynch on him when he dies anyway... Scum with their rights would just kill him in the night.
Oh and we're going to lynch him anyway if he survives (knowing everyone so far...), but at least we're getting an additional clue to the game.

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Curious questions :
1. Do you believe that TSO and Shinobi is both Town? If so, why are

both

Town?
2. What makes Ellie the "biggest Scum" over the other targets?
3. What do you think of the theory that the Scum is trying to focus on other things to avoid attention to themselves in the way it influences all else to ignore them and focus on the things the Scum is leading to?
4. What makes Aeronaut, Shinobi and Cheetory Town?
5. If you had a gun, who'd you shoot during night?

[Wake1]

So I leave to take a shower for about ten minutes, and 2.5 pages apparently fly by.

Wake me up when we have something important to talk about.

We're talking and playing. Play. This is doing nothing but hurt town.

What should we talk about? I am

not

reading 2,500 posts.

I don't know where to begin.

What's your stance on me, ABR, ellie, NJ, and cheetory, for starters?

I haven't played the game enough to make any sort of determination yet.

[elusive]

NakedJogger

1. You were a weak counter wagon to Klingoncelt in that you didn't have enough votes to be lynched but you hammered. Why?

2. What are your scum reads today and why?


[/quote]

Answer these please as if you were answering to Aeronaut or TSO, thanks.

Wake and Nobody Special,

not doctors being told but the person they healed.

VikingFan claimed cop. He claimed to be roleblocked by Pisskop who turned out to be the mafia roleblocker and was killed. He also claimed that he received a message about being healed. Does the player being healed or saved get a message?

[Wake1]

Wake and Nobody Special,

not doctors being told but the person they healed.

There are no Normal or exclusively Non-Normal roles to my knowledge that are informed if they are healed/targeted.

That means anything from either of the two unique slots could be the reason for this discussion.

[MathBlade]

I have to go prep for company being over soon. If anyone has any questions @MathBlade me...I'm out til late tonight or later.

If town gets some sense and votes VF let me know or if NJ was gone that'd be awesome.

[ika]

So this whole issuse can be resolved I'm now adding a new rule:

You may not public accuse a player of cheating, if you suspect something you are to PM the mod

Cheating is a 0 tolerance sitewide rule and if you suspect something you are to PM me, not to point it out in a thread. There are things called hydras and alts.

So point blank: if you think a player is cheating by any means, you are to PM me/titus/listmod about it. Accusing a player of cheating is really a borderline insult to me and I will have no tolerance of it

Players play the game to have fun and if someone wants to stoop to that level for amusement and play a game. Then thats them but when the get caught it will be known.

[Ellie]

Doctors don't get told if their protection was successful. They don't get told anything.

Did this used to be the case in earlier Mafia games?

Never, as far as I recall.

NS, what are your reads?

[FakedBlogger]

That's pretty obvious. But is it ok to ask someone if he/she is cheating, because that's the relevant issue here. Because that's what I did, not even seriously just to point out in a derogatory fashion how similar, in a bad way, their playstyle to that of another player is.

Whatever, vk, still waiting ..

[vikingfan]

I find it interesting you asked me but didn't respond to Kitz's questions. It's quite simple, town was going well and then you hammered suddenly with no chance for town to do anything. Everyone rightly said it was very scummy. Explain.