New York 180 (Endgame)

[vikingfan]

Dang, disappear for a day and the page explodes.

I can't WAIT until I flip town just to shut up ABR at this point. And I'm looking forward to a good "Bah! Told you so!" post too.

Ozgin, what exactly do you need? I already reported I am a Cop with the ability to investigate one player per night and will find out if they are protown or not. If something happens where I don't get a result, then the result is unknown. I also received a PM last night informing me my investigation on Shinobi came back as unknown and that I was attacked last night but was saved. Given that pisskop was a mafia RB, it's not a huge jump that he blocked me from my investigation. I have no idea what else you need.

ABR is just plain distracting the game right now to be honest. I need to do an ISO on pisskop and NJ and that will be coming up soon, and I'm still amazed that NJ is not coming under serious pressure for the scummy hammer yesterday. TSO is giving me townie vibes at present and while Ellie's defense of me is well-deserved, I'm not altogether sure she's not scum.

Think about it this way. Scum knows I'm town and will flip that way when I die probably tonight. It makes good sense to defend me so as to look more townie the next day and ellie's play as already noted has raised some definite eyebrows. but all that is for a future day.

[elusive]

Ok, ISOing because there's no effing way I can reread the entire thread like I hoped. Somehow my scum reads are voting my other scum reads which doesn't quite make sense so just focusing on ISO.

NJ - >elusive, ellie, math, SW, Grib/GM, Kitz - what are your reads on this list? Why did you hammer Klingoncelt without any intent or anything?

boonskiies top suspects -> dragonspawn, elusive, ellie. His death could be a lucky mafia strike but he did claim in thread. Who knows him or has played enough with him to take his soft claim seriously? That is what I wonder first.

pisskop's hard defending of vikingfan is bizarre. He also defends FA and NJ. He hard or soft town reads Acryon, NJ, TSO, Aeronaut, Jared, MathBlade,
He hard or soft scum reads House, elusive, SilverWolf, Kitz, ABR, Klingoncelt, Ellie, OZgin,
He does state that klingon wagon isn't good and that seems like desperate town so its not cut and dry.

If VF doesn't die N2 then the VF issue should be revisited.

SilverWolf is lean town. Not all of this is scum but at I assume more then one scum on this wagon. Cheetory6?

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Klingoncelt

: Aeronaut, TSO, SilverWolf, FA_Q2, vikingfan, Nobody Special, ABR, Cheetory6, Pisskop, Ozgin, Naked jogger "

Going to second, Shinobi on "What is this apathetic drivel that cheetory has been posting?"

VOTE: Cheetory

[elusive]

VF, you aren't being lynched toDay. Not because I'm 100% sure you're a cop although I lean thinking you are based on pisskop's hard defense of you (maybe that could be setup for your NK) but also because ABR is pushing it and he isn't in the clear himself.

VF, I am also surprised by the resistance to NJ"s wagon. I'd like to see him flip sooner then later.

[FA_Q2]

VF, you aren't being lynched toDay. Not because I'm 100% sure you're a cop although I lean thinking you are based on pisskop's hard defense of you (maybe that could be setup for your NK) but also because ABR is pushing it and he isn't in the clear himself.

VF, I am also surprised by the resistance to NJ"s wagon. I'd like to see him flip sooner then later.

Then why vote for cheeto?

You seem to indicate that you have a much stronger suspicion of NJ than cheeto anyway or am I reading this incorrectly.

[elusive]

I assume there is more then one scum. Why do you have better ideas?

[goodmorning]

And while I understand why the comment about hammering Viking would bother you... I didn't just say 'no' because I have no explanation or wanted to be obstinate. I said 'no' because it would be dumb to answer. That hasn't changed. If you think it through, maybe you can work out the answer for yourself.

If this is the case and that's the only reason you said it, then that's a dumb reason to have said it unless one specific unlikely caveat.

People disagree - how terrible.

It would be far better pointing out WHY people disagree rather than simply pointing out that there is disagreement. Disagreement is a simple fact of this game.

FAQ CONFIRMED NOT READING

Goodmornig confirmed lack of reading comprehension.

Again, pointing out that others have said they disagree is meaningless because we have all see the posts. Reiterating why you agree with the case moves the game forward. Asinine statements like the above just make you look like scum.

Try again.

People have repeatedly pointed out why they disagree with ABR, often with different reasoning, and if you haven't seen it then you are, indeed, confirmed not reading.

I think pks defense of naked is something we all need to consider.

Do you think Scum is obvious about defending their partners?

They can be on day one when they think there is no chance of being dead.

From what I understand, pisskop was being scumread by a fair number of people, and he'd know that in a game this size it's almost a given that there's more than one killing faction/role.
Even if not, NJ is also being scumread by some folks, and both of them were not going to make it more than a couple days. Why tie themselves together needlessly?

Scum are more likely to WK.

She spotted the doctor because she was looking for him during the night.

I want to address this because I didn't before: why would any Scum/3p trying to survive DELIBERATELY POINT OUT A CRUMB FROM THE DEAD DOC?

Most likely there are two scum factions plus an sk? Is that the general belief about the setup?

I don't think we really have enough info to make this call at present.

FTR I'm not ignoring you because I have problems with you, because I don't. I'm ignoring you because I think I might have difficulty reading you.

Ok, ISOing because there's no effing way I can reread the entire thread like I hoped. Somehow my scum reads are voting my other scum reads which doesn't quite make sense so just focusing on ISO.

I'd advise you not to worry so much about who's voting for whom; I do VC stats and there's no real rhyme or reason to them.

I assume more then one scum on this wagon.

I wish you wouldn't.

You know what they say when you assume.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I want to address this because I didn't before: why would any Scum/3p trying to survive DELIBERATELY POINT OUT A CRUMB FROM THE DEAD DOC?

Saying "why would x do y" is WIFOM. Pointing out that someone caught a breadcrumb from the dead PR is not WIFOM.

Spend less time WIFOMing good morning.

[goodmorning]

No, it's not WIFOM, it's a deliberate attempt to point out that

there are no Scum motivations

for pointing out that she saw the Doc crumb.

[goodmorning]

And as we all know, the reasons people do things are the best way to read them.

[T S O]

Oh my fucking god

[T S O]

HOW FUCKING DIFFICULT IS IT TO GIVE ONE GOOD REASON FOR TOWNREADING ELLIE WHEN ASKED REPEATEDLY?

ANSWER: QUITE FUCKING EASY

[T S O]

And can you STOP pushing a shitty lurker lynch, that's utter horseshit

[Ellie]

^ not reading the thread

[Ellie]

Dang, disappear for a day and the page explodes.

I can't WAIT until I flip town just to shut up ABR at this point. And I'm looking forward to a good "Bah! Told you so!" post too.

Ozgin, what exactly do you need? I already reported I am a Cop with the ability to investigate one player per night and will find out if they are protown or not. If something happens where I don't get a result, then the result is unknown. I also received a PM last night informing me my investigation on Shinobi came back as unknown and that I was attacked last night but was saved. Given that pisskop was a mafia RB, it's not a huge jump that he blocked me from my investigation. I have no idea what else you need.

ABR is just plain distracting the game right now to be honest. I need to do an ISO on pisskop and NJ and that will be coming up soon, and I'm still amazed that NJ is not coming under serious pressure for the scummy hammer yesterday. TSO is giving me townie vibes at present and while Ellie's defense of me is well-deserved, I'm not altogether sure she's not scum.

Think about it this way. Scum knows I'm town and will flip that way when I die probably tonight. It makes good sense to defend me so as to look more townie the next day and ellie's play as already noted has raised some definite eyebrows. but all that is for a future day.

Could you post a sentence or two about each player & your read on them please?

[Albert B. Rampage]

No, it's not WIFOM, it's a deliberate attempt to point out that

there are no Scum motivations

for pointing out that she saw the Doc crumb.

Or maybe she did it because she thought it would give her town points? See, it's WIFOM.

All we know is that she knew, which is not WIFOM. She's one of the players who was looking out for it, when a bunch of players didn't.

[Ellie]

VOTE: Nobody Special

Reads please.

[elusive]

TSO, who are your posts addressed to? Ellie is useful to town. Any real points you want to make or is caps lock all you can do? Since you have yet to make a rational case, guess which of the two of your posts look like those of an irate baboon?

GM, you're ignoring me? Did I ask you something? I'm wary of reading you either way so cloudy with a chance.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Ellie is useful to town.

In your opinion. I think that scum make themselves look useful to town to avoid being voted, then slip up a bunch of times because they can't keep their stories straight. Like how much doubt Ellie has about having two investigative PRs, but is ready to believe any number of unlikely coincidences about viking's claim. There's something not right here. If she's not scum, she's the SK. I know that because she slips up constantly.

[elusive]

Yes darling like you couldn't keep your role straight. Lay off the sugar will you?

VF is an issue that resolves itself. He won't be able to fake claim on a constant basis and he isn't the only scum.

As for Ellie, not today. There are scummier people and the fact that you and others aren't looking there but stood idly by on the town wagon yesterday make me not give many apples.

[elusive]

That is if VF is scum and this isn't some scum tactic to get town to kill a PR. Which is not happening.

[Albert B. Rampage]

That's one thing. People think I fakeclaimed tracker as town to avoid my lynch, something I've done before as town; fair enough. I don't slip the way Ellie does. You're misguided, elusive.

[elusive]

Why does it keep speaking to me like its making brilliant cases or something?

Does anyone have actual scum cases or reads?

[dragonspawn]

Ill be gone Sunday and back Monday

[MathBlade]

MathBlade, if you want to be treated as rational, you need to act rational.

You need to lay out your scumcase on me. You need to then look at what you've wrote, and consider whether you

actually believe

it, or whether pride/anger is contributing to it.

If you still feel you have a legitimate case on me, post it and I'll respond to it, one time only, even though I've been asked to stop responding and I agree with that sentiment.

1) As of the post quoted above you have yet to lay out a single point about anything relevant in the thread towards the lynch candidates.

2) The day 1 votals are a mess.

3) Your arguments are coming soon or one sentence/naked.

4) I haven't seen you lead a decent charge. This reminds me of a scum game of yours I read where out of the final three you weren't even a candidate. You are trying to seem town than be town.

5) certain posts also ping me as wrong mainly need to reread to cite but yeah you come off at best unproductive town or at worst scum likely the latter.

[MathBlade]

I still think MathBlade looks town,

but

I'm getting more and more concerned with the fact she won't acknowledge that vikingfan dies tonight if he's town.

I acknowledged this in my reasons to lynch ABR. If they are town we won't get a result. Therefore it is like we don't have one and should lynch on play.