New York 180 (Endgame)

[Albert B. Rampage]

The whole nj vs elusive thing is completely irrelevant. Pay no mind to it.

[FakedBlogger]

more like nj vs half the fucking players list

[Albert B. Rampage]

Viking, ellie, or me. Those are the serious choices for today.

[dragonspawn]

The whole nj vs elusive thing is completely irrelevant. Pay no mind to it.

I humbly disagree. This game will not end if Viking is lynched and flips scum. We need everyone discussing everything to catch the scum

[Albert B. Rampage]

What do you think of ellie?

[goodmorning]

oh god guys, kitz is super town

1) Nobody said it was impossible for vf to be lying, not even ABR. The issue is doubt. A lot of us (including myself) are very doubtful of vf's claim, and he hasn't responded to my (that I've noticed) question about what his response PM.

the facts are indisputable

and lead to vf being scum.

VF is lying, pure and simple, in a provable way.

There's no chance

that he's telling the truth

There is no way

that ika would creatively sprinkle a role like that into a normal game.

He has violated basic tenets of mafia normalcy metal and there is a

0% chance that he's town.

Mark my words carefully.

Zero percent.

vikingfan is 100% scum.

Please.

2) Your yelling and capsing and general flaily response isn't necessary.

YES IT IS

CHARACTERISING IT AS FLAILY IS

REALLY WEIRD THOUGH

ABR is town? WOOowowoowW. How did we get here? You yourself have voiced frustration with the pointless vf discussion and whatnot, now you want to townread the guy who gave that shit propellers and made it fly and eclipse the sun?

How very very weird.

Hey look this is a useful thing from NJ what?

I think pks defense of naked is something we all need to consider.

Do you think Scum is obvious about defending their partners?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm ignoring everything goodmorning says, she's ellie's pet, right in her back pocket. Next time I use an alt as scum I'll be sure to buddy up to her and never have to worry about her thinking for herself.

[elusive]

GM, considering that NakedJogger was the counterwagon to now obviously town, what do you think?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Kitz, goodmorning, completely on Ellie's scum payroll, and her currency is buddying. The lazy leading the blind.

[goodmorning]

YOU'RE SO VAIN

YOU PROBABLY THINK THAT POST WAS ABOUT YOU

DON'T YOUUUUUUU

p-edit: I actually was going to discuss the concept of wagons with you in a few weeks anyway, but OK.
I don't have any actual stats on counterwagons because I don't collect the unsuccessful, but as far as I can tell, the other wagon being Town only makes the likelihood of NJ being Scum go up fractionally from a statistical POV and not at all generally.

I'll go look that up now actually.

[Albert B. Rampage]

It makes no difference elusive, both wagons being on town d1 is common.

[FakedBlogger]

I think the vikingfan lynch is valuable for the read potential it has. I'm willing to go ahead and VOTE: vikingfan.

You can pretend to know he is scum. The only downside of letting him live another day is if he's got a useful scum PR. Other than that we can just be like "hey look, scum has posted something, how cute" every time he posts. Come on it'll be fun.

[Albert B. Rampage]

No. That's an idiotic plan.

[FakedBlogger]

GM, considering that NakedJogger was the counterwagon to now obviously town, what do you think?

My question was rather serious. How beneficial do you think it is for town for a group of players to act like you, ellie, math, SW, Grib/GM, Kitz?
I don't mind townblocks but all of you are scummy as fuck so look at the elephant in the room and ask yourself what you are doing if you are town.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Regarding the Ellie lynch.

Some want it to happen.

Some wish it to happen.

Some MAKE IT HAPPEN.

Show yourselves and let's get ourselves a scum lynch this day, my brothers and sisters!

[Ozgin]

Please.

Aside from his comment saying "100% vikingfan is lying," he's never really saying it's not possible he's wrong. He's really just speaking out of exaggeration to get his point across.

Any reasonable person would say that there's always a possibility they're wrong about a scumread or a townread.

I mean, I could be wrong about ABR - He could be a scum pushing on a town or a scum bussing a scum partner to gain rep or to distract us from our scumhunts. Who fucking knows? I don't. I just think it's reasonable to say that ABR is just playing with exaggeration and harsh sarcasm and such to make his point.

But what do you think makes Ellie town? Have we forgotten her whole, "I personally think vf is both town and cop, but yeah I'll lynch him if it means it makes me popular" argument?

I think the vikingfan lynch is valuable for the read potential it has. I'm willing to go ahead and VOTE: vikingfan.

You can pretend to know he is scum. The only downside of letting him live another day is if he's got a useful scum PR. Other than that we can just be like "hey look, scum has posted something, how cute" every time he posts. Come on it'll be fun.

Even if that did sound fun to me, it would be back because he might actually have a scum PR. And besides, if the object of the game is to lynch scum then why wouldn't we just lynch the person we were sure is scum?

[goodmorning]

Large Normals in particular (all wagons with >1 vote, from lynch to least):
NY178: T-T
NY177: T-T-T
NY176: T-T-T
NY175: T-T
NY174: M-M-T
NY173: M-T
NY172: T-T
NY171: T-T
NY170: T-T-T
NY169: T-M-M

So of the last 10 Large Normals, 7 had only wagons on Town at the end of D1.

P-Edit: When did I say Ellie was Town? I said I didn't think Town would refuse to explain like she did. Just because we both think viking's claim is possible doesn't mean I townread her.

(For the record, I don't scumread the phrase that everyone else scumreads because I've said shit like that as Town. I scumread the post that says "No.")

Goodness gracious. Can we stop taking ABR's version of this game as gospel?

[elusive]

ABR, I actually don't like Ellie. I don't like her or him from day one at all. I am not susceptible to that kind of buddying and it makes me want to vote her. However, the town wincon is to lynch scums not people who try to be slick. SO patienceness.

Ozgin, ABR making up stuff is annoying as I said and led to town wastage. So therefore, I am holding his words as the words of a raver. Maybe there's an iota of sense but its hidden behind idk raverness.

[FakedBlogger]

@Ozgin Info.

@viking talk more.

[Albert B. Rampage]

You're better than that. I deserve a chance from you elusive. Don't make this about my role pm again.

[Ozgin]

(For the record, I don't scumread the phrase that everyone else scumreads because I've said shit like that as Town. I scumread the post that says "No.")

Goodness gracious. Can we stop taking ABR's version of this game as gospel?

Fair enough. And yeah, I remember that "No." post, too.

ABR, I actually don't like Ellie. I don't like her or him from day one at all. I am not susceptible to that kind of buddying and it makes me want to vote her. However, the town wincon is to lynch scums not people who try to be slick. SO patienceness.

Ozgin, ABR making up stuff is annoying as I said and led to town wastage. So therefore, I am holding his words as the words of a raver. Maybe there's an iota of sense but its hidden behind idk raverness.

What do you mean, "led to town wastage"? Can you elaborate on that a little more?

And do you think that raving is more common to zealous townies than really active mis-lynching scums? I would think that someone who raves ambitiously are more likely to be town than anyone, but I'm also a rookie and ABR probably knows that I'd buy into that, so who knows? I'm under-informed of a lot of meta, so I don't know that this is/isn't ABR's average level of zeal.

If vikingfan would just answer my question about his response pm at the start of this day/last night, I would be more inclined to lean Ellie and probably move my vote.

[elusive]

ABR, the things I'm better at is ignoring both obvious and subtle attempts at manipulations. If you were trying to convince me of something using logical and reasoned explanations that are based on in-game posts rather then blah blah would work better. Your supposed "special powers of insight" were off on day one and now on day two you're in the same place. So, no.

[Ellie]

@Ellie

, my read on you is currently super muddled and your explanations feel like they're intentionally trying to keep me at arm's length here.
I don't really want to lend credence to whatever the fuck ABR is talking about, but there are arguably strange things you've done this game that I don't understand.
I really need you to explain that interaction around elusive on D1 in a more clear way and I'd also like for you to talk at me about you being willing to vote for Viking at L-1 while saying that you think he's town.
Walk me through the thought processes in both situations.

I've played with elusive before, as she guessed earlier.

And while I understand why the comment about hammering Viking would bother you... I didn't just say 'no' because I have no explanation or wanted to be obstinate. I said 'no' because it would be dumb to answer. That hasn't changed. If you think it through, maybe you can work out the answer for yourself.

[Ellie]

If vikingfan would just answer my question about his response pm at the start of this day/last night, I would be more inclined to lean Ellie and probably move my vote.

Erm, ignoring the part about me, why would that make you unvote VF? The case against him doesn't rest on that, and he could pretty easily BS something as scum anyway. Explain.

[elusive]

Ellie, can you clarify this site or off-site? If you've played extensively with me before you would know that unnecessary mystery about stuff like this does not go well with me.