New York 180 (Endgame)

[ika]

@ika, What happens if a player is murdered and healed, are they still able to use their action? What information do they get if any?

A player being healed would not stop them from acting.

If they get feedback or not is dependent on mod and role card wordings.

[FakedBlogger]

Looks like both vikingfan and ABR are mafia.

Doc getting shot makes me think elusive is softfakeclaiming scum in #777 (Dr. Watson)

I told you pisskop's and viking's RV were scummy.

[goodmorning]

I'm still reading. Went through TSO's ISO and he's def Scum though.

[MathBlade]

@goodmorning -- Why go through TSO's ISO before pisskop?

@NakedJogger -- You trying to get lynched?

[goodmorning]

Went through it Monday night after class; TSO is the player I'm most familiar with.

[FakedBlogger]

What do you mean math?

[MathBlade]

This is where I disagree with you. If VF hadnt' have claimed cop they'd be lynched. Even if it fails it gains VF an additional day of life with no risk. So what if he's discovered? If it fails theres' literally no risk with the way MafiaScum's set up is of fake claiming cop.

That is why saying "so and so claimed cop" don't lynch them is bad. It's about analyzing all the pieces and seeing if you believe the claim. Until VF acts protown I won't believe it.

So because he was already in a ways, he didn't have anything to lose that wasn't already going.

@All -- This post combined with NJ's first post today makes me think there is likely:

Pisskop,vikingfan,NakedJogger,X,X,X,X team likely (21/3 = 7 so guessing 7 mafia)

NakedJogger's post in there was naked claiming the other two wagons were scummy and didn't ask a single question to try to understand things. It is all like "don't look here"

Furthermore pisskop's ISO's main points are defense of vikingfan and defense of Nj.

However NJ's not voting or trying to differentiate which of the two he believes are the scummiest.

VOTE: vikingfan

[FakedBlogger]

Questions such as?

I'm not able to differentiate which one is scummier at this time. One claims he's an idiot and the other claims the improbable if not impossible.

[goodmorning]

VOTE: pisskop

For replacing into a scum slot.

This is interesting.


6 Mafia is more likely if it's just one team. 33% is on the high end.

Could be something like 3-3-1 though.

[T S O]

I'm still reading. Went through TSO's ISO and he's def Scum though.

...?

[T S O]

If this is genuine, cool, out with it. If this is some sort of snap reaction to misreading me in Masquerade, my tolerance will be 0.

Thanks.

[T S O]

Looks like both vikingfan and ABR are mafia.

Where are you getting this from?

[T S O]

Okay, just re-read viking; yes that thing about being protected is sketchy af. I think I might do some meta later and see if that was the often the case in 2004 - if it was he's basically confscum.

[SilverWolf]

Would VF get a no result if Pisskop RB'd him and Pisskop died? Does anyone know which resolves first?

[T S O]

I thought scum were more likely to RB ABR and shoot vikingfan - I think I would be somewhat wary of ABR getting lucky and try to prevent that as scum rather than vikingfan.

[T S O]

It makes a kind of sense that vikingfan didn't get a result because pisskop RB'd him, but it's so coincidental that viking claims he was Roleblocked just when the Scum Roleblocker happens to die and it feels disgusting and off.

[vikingfan]

I can only report the likely result. I will if course try again tonight but I doubt it really matte rs in the long run since I don't expect to live beyond tonight. And I don't see what is so improbable about assuming I was roleblocked. It's the logical thing for mafia to do if they know who the cop is.

[MathBlade]

Questions such as?

I'm not able to differentiate which one is scummier at this time. One claims he's an idiot and the other claims the improbable if not impossible.

Exactly...So you ask questions you think will help you solve it. My questions I ask may not be the same as yours. But you're not even trying...You're even asking me how you should scumhunt. I won't tell you HOW but I expect at least an effort.

[Shinobi]

It makes a kind of sense that vikingfan didn't get a result because pisskop RB'd him, but it's so coincidental that viking claims he was Roleblocked just when the Scum Roleblocker happens to die and it feels disgusting and off.

Sure bud.

Unfortunately, since there's a confirmed roleblocker in the setup, we're not lynching the cop claim based on things feeling "disgusting and off."

[Shinobi]

VF checking anyone but NJ is a borderline waste, but meh. Not like that check was likely to go through anyway.

[T S O]

It makes a kind of sense that vikingfan didn't get a result because pisskop RB'd him, but it's so coincidental that viking claims he was Roleblocked just when the Scum Roleblocker happens to die and it feels disgusting and off.

Sure bud.

Unfortunately, since there's a confirmed roleblocker in the setup, we're not lynching the cop claim based on things feeling "disgusting and off."

Sure bud, that's why I'm not voting for vikingfan.

[Shinobi]

Fair enough.

I will be rereading when I get off from work.

[dragonspawn]

What do you mean math?

It's not obvious?

[SilverWolf]

Would VF get a no result if Pisskop RB'd him and Pisskop died? Does anyone know which resolves first?

Found it: Killing doesn't stop the actions of the dead player. (Imagine that all kills happen at the end of the night, and everyone pulls the trigger simultaneously.) This means that kills generally do not affect other actions.

So VF being RB'd before Pisskop died is a believable scenario.

I still question the finding out he was protected part. It is my understanding you don't find out if you were protected. So why would VF know someone tried to kill him and he was protected?

Also, if someone tried to kill him and 2 are already dead, there are 3 anti-town factions in this game.

[SilverWolf]

Also, if someone tried to kill him and 2 are already dead, there are 3 anti-town factions in this game.

Or 2 anti-town factions and a vig.