And here's my post 2 of 2(?) today, my opinions of posts 275 on.
klopyrev wrote:Also, I believe the_Red_c to be Town, because a Mafia wouldn't quit a game. (Well, at least I wouldn't since I like being mafia more than town) Anyone else have a point of view on this?
Yes, my point of view is that this is a ridiculous opinion. Scum are just as likely to ask for replacement as anyone else, particularly scum that felt like they got tagged early and don't want to waste their time on a losing effort. Not that I'm saying Dral was in that position -- he struck me as a little bit suspicious, but not yet overly so, and nobody except Sir Tornado seemed to be looking too carefully at him at all -- but it definitely happens.
Your opinion that mafia wouldn't quit is interesting, though, in context. Dral defended you twice, in his 86 and 111. I can think of another reason a mafia would quit: if he thought he was saddled with an insane partner that he wanted to get away from. Of course, mafia could quit simply because they're too busy to give a game their full attention.
various wrote:this is your second game ever?
For the record, this is my 4th game ever.
curiouskarmadog wrote:just throwing this out there for conversation, if both klop and Ameliali are town, what next?
I'm not sure what to make of the rest of page 12. It's a long klopyrev bash-fest, that's for sure. curiouskarmadog's 294 is interesting in the context that I believe he is scum. If he
is
scum, it strikes me as trolling for anyone who's suspicious of him. My answer to your question is that if Amelia and klopyrev are both town (and right now, my instinct is that both of them are), then the rest of us are going to have to carefully consider who among those that screamed for them to be lynched are overly aggressive townies and who are the scum that were goading the townies into two such false (if they are false) lynches.
Numenorean7 wrote:I don't get this. If there were 5 Mafia, wouldn't that mean that we're in ly-lo? Are you assuming two scumgroups or something?
I've been assuming that we've got 3-4 scum in the game, either two small teams of 2 mafia each, or 3 mafia and an SK of some type. If that's so, we've probably got one cop and one vigilante somewhere in our midst as well.
Numenorean7, in post 317, wrote:a long analysis of klopyrev
This is an interesting post, and I'm going to review this one separately, perhaps in a third post today.
Sir Tornado wrote:Exactly what has Nanosauromo said? Notice, that he doesn't actually lurk. But, he doesn't really post anything substantial at all. This is how the scum behave. They try not to lurk, because then they would be put under pressure. However, at the same time, he doesn't say anything at all, so that he would be safe when we get to the later days and start rereading.
Sorry, doesn't fly with me. So, I am going to ask Nanosauromo to tell everyone what he thinks about each player right now.
This is exactly why my vote is on Nano, and hasn't moved for much of the game. He strikes me as far and away the most scummy player here. I've seen nothing since my last two posts to change that. On the rare occasion he posts, he posts nothing, or as close to nothing as possible. When he actually posts something, it's always a pack-following piece of fluff that could mean anything at all ("more stupid than scummy").
I'm convinced Nano's scum. He hasn't done a pro-town thing this whole game.
curiouskarmadog wrote:so, Klop is the Mafia master mind who has everyone wrapped around his (or her?) finger?...wow, what a masterful job he is doing.
This is antagonistic, beautifully so because anyone who reads it will see what they want to see: either an attack on Amelia or an attack on klopyrev. It's a piece of evil genius writing, because it says nothing of consequence while giving all the appearances of saying something of consequence. When and if either of those two turn up town, if someone pointed back at this post, you could just calmly say "that's not what I meant." I wish I could vote for two people, 'cause if I could, you'd be getting my second vote, right now.
Nano wrote:I think that either AmeliaLi or Klopyrev is scum. I'm starting to lean towards Klopyrev for the reasons stated by Numenorian7 in post 317, but I still have a feeling that he's beeing more newbish than scummish.
Here's another sentence that seems to say something, but actually says nothing at all. Part one: "I think Klopyrev is scum." Part two: "he's being more newbish than scummish." Cover your own ass much?
the_Red_c wrote:vote AmeliaLi
Her and Klop are 1 and 2 on my list but Klop's last post made him seem more townie than Amelia. I'm still watching Klop though.
This post, 334, is an almost word-for-word repeat of 311, just with a vote attached. What exactly did Amelia write that made her seem more scummy than in 311, Red? Or was it just that Klopyrev seemed "more townie"? That's a damned odd justification for a vote, in my book.
Jester, in 339, wrote wrote:Oh, and the one thing I'm definitely not doing is moving my vote to Amelia, so if anyone's counting on me to be a vote there, look elsewhere. I could be dead wrong, but I think stuff that Amelia's done has been misinterpreted, and then the paranoia around her capitalized on by opportunistic scum.
Having now caught up with this post, I can say I still think this. See my reasoning in the post above. Again, I'm willing to risk that I'm wrong.
ryan, in 341, wrote wrote:I'd like to hear more from Jester on why he thinks scum jumped on the AmeliaLi vote list, and who he thinks those scum are?
As of this post, I'm 100% convinced Nano's scum. I'm 90% convinced curiouskarmadog is scum. I'm wary of the_Red_c. Dral wasn't playing all that townish a game before he was replaced, and Red is continuing the tradition. I'm also wary of Indy for lying or maybe lying about his MS experience and his lack of posting content here. My gut feel is that Indy is first-time scum that doesn't know what to post or how. I'd like Lowell to actually post something. He's managed to go 340 posts without saying anything of consequence, but is managing to vote for people despite all that. Not sure what to think about him. I think ryan, Fireball, and Numenorean are the most likely townies, followed by Amelia and Sir Tornado. klopyrev still strikes me as insane, but I want to go back and re-read Numenorean's detailed post on him. And that's everyone, I think.
AmeliaLi wrote:And as a side note: I wish he'd do it soon. I don't like sitting here at -2 votes.
Aheh. Interesting wish. Don't feel safe and secure just 'cause I'm not voting for you. My thinking that you're not scum is at least partially based on the fact that I think others are way scummier than you. That can always change.
Sir Tornado wrote:Everyone is onto you and Klopyrev, but not him. Not a single FOS. Still, I am inclined to buy his explanation for his behavior and give him some more time to form his opinions and join in.
I'd have a FOS on him if I didn't have a vote on him. And his "explanation" was, so far as I'm aware, "I have a strange play style" or thereabouts. That isn't an explanation. It's an excuse.
Nano wrote:Nano's Scumlist 2.0
Here's your second post with actual content, but at this point, who you think is scum is irrelevant to me. Your attack on me is humorous in its illogic, though. "Saying nothing" and "lurking" are two entirely different things. You are an expert at saying nothing. You've said the most nothing of anyone in the game so far with the possible exception of Lowell.
Lowell
has been lurking and I notice he didn't come up in your "list" at all. I also never said that I'm on board with the lynch-all-lurkers strategy, no matter how much you might try to spin it that way. I said saying literally nothing was one of four things that would cause people to show up on my radar, not things that would cause me to vote or not vote. Your entire "argument" borders on an
ad hominem
attack, quite the little scum-tell. I'm amazed you haven't drawn more votes.
Nano wrote:I belive that at least one of these people is scum.
And the other eight players you don't mention? Who strikes you as townish?
Lowell wrote:I don't like this post AT ALL. To me it's very scummy to say "I won't vote for person X, despite others doing so." It reeks of falsely standing up for yourself. This is one of those instances where if Amelia turns up town, I will be MORE suspicious of Jester.
You haven't posted anything of consequence in two weeks, and have been promising actual thoughts on parts of the game other than my post 339 which was (as you can tell from the timestamps) tossed up there after a few minutes of thought. How about the 338 posts before that, hm? How about actually getting into the game?
That said, I still stand behind my 339 and will take whatever risk accrues from it. I think I've been plenty involved in this game to show that my loyalties lay with the town, certainly more than I can say about you.
Indy wrote:Absolutely nothing, again
I seem to be pointing this out a lot.
And I'm caught up again.
