New York 180 (Endgame)

[Aeronaut]

Does anyone else have little sticky notes for each person In-game in which they write down notes about them?

I usually do it with smaller games, but I'm trying it for the first time on a game of people this size.

[SilverWolf]

Does anyone else have little sticky notes for each person In-game in which they write down notes about them?

I usually do it with smaller games, but I'm trying it for the first time on a game of people this size.

I usually put a note to myself in my ISO and check it later like I just did or write it down somewhere but only important things that stick out.

[Shinobi]

@TSO: The questions you asked in regards to his role pm looked completely meaningless. Sure, I

guess

you could potentially catch someone messing up their role pm but it all seems so convenient after he softclaimed.

To elaborate on this: how is it that you have absolutely no questions for him before you vote him but you only pressure him after he claims?

[Aeronaut]

(It's to see if the claim is legitimate)

[Shinobi]

(It's to see if the claim is legitimate)

That part I understand.

It's just the fact that TSO only jumped on after he softed that bothers me.

[Shinobi]

It was literally impossible to miss.

[T S O]

Acryon, calling people scum because of gut isn't doing you any favors. Come up with real analysis that isn't based on hopes and dreams.

@TSO: The questions you asked in regards to his role pm looked completely meaningless. Sure, I

guess

you could potentially catch someone messing up their role pm but it all seems so convenient after he softclaimed.

Yes, but I'm asking you to show me which specific question didn't have a purpose to it.

[T S O]

I don't know what you're comparing what I did to - everyone else moaned to various degrees and proceeded to not really do much else about the claim.

[Shinobi]

Ignore the issue of the questions right now because that's not even the crux of the point I'm bringing up.

Why did you only vote him after he softed? You didn't pressure him at all until he said he might have to claim and then you jumped on.

[House]

It seems likely that is what it is. The most suspicious one of them is FA though. He has actively been suspicious of me and yet votes for Viking. By it makes sense that he might do that just from knowing my meta.

wolf is loyal to her friends until she has a reason to suspect you. Not surprised with her defense. Nor does it seem scummy. It seems consistent with her town behavior

klingon is hard to read I admit. But she tends to be like wolf.

house I just dont see as scum this game.

Why?

I mean, you gave some kind of reason or thought behind everybody in this post but me. Why peter out at the end there?

[House]

as for house, his posts have a town vibe.

Why are you refusing to give any sort of reason for your read on me?

If you think I'm town enough to townread me, there should be more behind it than "vibe".

From the sounds of your posts, I should be a null/town at best to you.

[FakedBlogger]

I'm suspicious of viking's alleged lack of creativity to come up with at least something vague or encrypted enough to be a safe crumb, but other than that it looks legit until someone CCs.

I guess the other thing for town to do is to narrow down 3-5 people for vikingfan to check and he choose from those? 3-5 so that scum don't know for sure.

The cop makes his/her own choice on who to investigate, however requests are often made by other players. For example: Viking, could you please investigate SilverWolf so we can check your sanity?

He's sane. It's a normal game.

Roles which are explicitly Normal include:
Vanilla Townie,

Sane Cop

, Doctor, Vigilante, Roleblocker, Mason, Innocent Child, Jailkeeper, Tracker, Watcher, Gunsmith, Miller, Bodyguard, Role Cop, Doublevoter, Hider, Neighbor, Neighborizer, Jack of All Trades, Serial Killer, Mafia Encryptor, Mafia Strongman, Mafia Goon, Mafia Traitor, Mafia Godfather, Mafia-aligned or SK-aligned versions of above roles

Roles which are explicitly Non-Normal include:

Non-Sane Cop

, Blank Vig, Non-Sane or Quack Doctor, Janitor, Survivor, Lyncher, Cultist, Jester, Mafia Mason, Bus Driver, Lightning Rod, Nexus, Redirector, Framer.

Normal games

can include

1-2 non-normal roles.

I don't think they can include explicitly non-normal ones; only new/variants.

@Grib Son, you better start scumhunting or something because I'm going to lynch your ass off if you don't

[T S O]

vote: vikingfan

nope, I'm done.

That jump onto Boonskiies was really, really bad.

was my reasoning for voting him. His talk of claiming had nothing to do with it at all.

[T S O]

Why didn't you comment once about the viking wagon despite doing so for dragonspawn repeatedly?

[House]

My reasons for voting House (some of which were already stated in my posts btw)
1. He's whiplashed with the "this is townie" then "this is scum" way too much - it makes it seem like he could jump out and go either way with those kinds of back and forth
2. Seems super aggressive but when I look back I can't figure out how his aggressiveness is moving the game forward and also was trying to steamroll the viking lynch
3. Skimming the other game (the one you linked to) he was scum and it seems like he's doing the same things here

So tryhard.

You better hope people take your word for it and don't actually read the other game for themselves, or that little lie could easily blow up in your face.

[Shinobi]

Why didn't you comment once about the viking wagon despite doing so for dragonspawn repeatedly?

I commented on both wagons despite not caring about either of them. This is easily resolved by reading my ISO, and even then it's not an important discussion point.

What was scummy about viking's boonskiies switch and why was that strong enough to warrant a vote?

[House]

I'm suspicious of viking's alleged lack of creativity to come up with at least something vague or encrypted enough to be a safe crumb, but other than that it looks legit until someone CCs.

I guess the other thing for town to do is to narrow down 3-5 people for vikingfan to check and he choose from those? 3-5 so that scum don't know for sure.

The cop makes his/her own choice on who to investigate, however requests are often made by other players. For example: Viking, could you please investigate SilverWolf so we can check your sanity?

He's sane. It's a normal game.

Roles which are explicitly Normal include:
Vanilla Townie,

Sane Cop

, Doctor, Vigilante, Roleblocker, Mason, Innocent Child, Jailkeeper, Tracker, Watcher, Gunsmith, Miller, Bodyguard, Role Cop, Doublevoter, Hider, Neighbor, Neighborizer, Jack of All Trades, Serial Killer, Mafia Encryptor, Mafia Strongman, Mafia Goon, Mafia Traitor, Mafia Godfather, Mafia-aligned or SK-aligned versions of above roles

Roles which are explicitly Non-Normal include:

Non-Sane Cop

, Blank Vig, Non-Sane or Quack Doctor, Janitor, Survivor, Lyncher, Cultist, Jester, Mafia Mason, Bus Driver, Lightning Rod, Nexus, Redirector, Framer.

Normal games

can include

1-2 non-normal roles.

I don't think they can include explicitly non-normal ones; only new/variants.

I think you're right. I am pretty sure Wake told me something about 1-2 non-normal roles being permitted, but it was a while back and he may have used different verbiage and I misunderstood.

(Wake, when you read this, I think we were discussing builds via PM on USMB).

[T S O]

Why didn't you comment once about the viking wagon despite doing so for dragonspawn repeatedly?

I commented on both wagons despite not caring about either of them. This is easily resolved by reading my ISO, and even then it's not an important discussion point.

Can you show me where you did this? Because, get this, I actually skimmed your ISO before asking that question.

And why wouldn't it be an "important discussion point" ...?

What was scummy about viking's boonskiies switch and why was that strong enough to warrant a vote?

Prodgey.

This post is VERY scummy. So, you've been prodded, acknowledge receiving the prod, but have absolutely nothing to report on 28 pages in this game. I'd be voting you except...

Will probably start posting again when acryon is around.

is the scummiest thing I've seen this game. There are NINETEEN other players in this game and you need a player to post before you start posting? This almost looks like scumlinking but I can't believe scum would be this dumb. Still UNVOTE: VOTE: Shinobi. I can't think of one aligment-based reason this is a valid post.

Vote: Boonskiies

Can we get rid of this?

Will probably start posting again when acryon is around.

Why is your posting dependent on Acryon?

'Cause he's my main scumread and I don't particularly care very much about the two primary wagons atm.

OK, I hadn't read you in iso, but that makes sense now. UNVOTE: . VOTE: Boon for the reason outlined in my last post.

Terrible sequence explains itself.

[Shinobi]

Why is it an issue that VF voted boonskiies and not ABR?

Why is him voting boonskiies bad but him voting me a nonissue even though the reasons were similar?

It reads like an excuse to force VF to claim rather than anything else.

[Kitz]

Does anyone else have little sticky notes for each person In-game in which they write down notes about them?

I usually do it with smaller games, but I'm trying it for the first time on a game of people this size.

Is this a comment to become more revelant to "scum hunting"? Or as a reminder that players can write notes?
Honestly, I feel this post is oddly timed and that it's not really a needed post.

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Normal games can include 1-2 non-normal roles.

Still though, the rules state that 1-2 non-normal roles can be included in a normal game, so an insane cop remains a possibility.

I am pretty sure Wake told me something about 1-2 non-normal roles being permitted, but it was a while back and he may have used different verbiage and I misunderstood.

By saying that Insane Cop is a possibility, it means that other non-normal roles are a possibility. Do you believe any of the other non-normal roles are in the game, if that's possible?
Food for thought, and just a question of curiousity.

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I'm just going to voice my opinion loudly. Albert B. Rampage is kinda scummy. Read the ISO, all posts are about voting, getting others to vote, fillers / fluff, base questions.
In short, I'm seeing no contribution, just sheeping and sheepherding. Opinions, guys?

[elusive]

House, it's right here: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=58830

Stated by TSO regarding you, "Him keeping his options open should have been a scumtell but there were a lot of weird dynamics in this LyLo which made it kinda acceptable to do."

Also, what are your reads other then dragonspawn? Do you have any? What are your thoughts on all of the active players so far? Concrete thoughts such as lean town, lean scum or null. Not the wishy washy stuff.

[Grib]

@Grib Son, you better start scumhunting or something because I'm going to lynch your ass off if you don't

Believe me, I think I'd have an easier time playing this game if I were scum. I have a hard enough time scumhunting when there are only 8 other players.

Tell me to do something. I'm a follower at heart, and I crave a sense of direction amid the chaos.

fake edit: none of that is particularly atypical for town!ABR.

[Shinobi]

@Kitz: I don't see any discrepancies with ABR's play.

[SilverWolf]

Tell me to do something. I'm a follower at heart, and I crave a sense of direction amid the chaos.

Do you have any solid reads on anyone yet?

[elusive]

@Kitz: I don't see any discrepancies with ABR's play.

Can you describe his town meta vs. his scum meta?