In post 921, pisskop wrote:You aren't as involved in many of the discussions as others. You have more posts than Prawn, but are less town.
In post 922, prawneater wrote:In post 781, Honey bee wrote:Vote count 2.08
pisskop (4):prawneater, West9, Aristophanes, Lyserg-Zeroz
Metalcyanide (2):farside22, pisskop
West9 (1):Metalcyanide
Aristophanes (1):Cheetory6
Not voting: VysePresident, ~Jordan`
With 10 alive It takes 6 to lynch. Day ends in: (expired on 2015-02-08 08:07:00)
I have 2 theories going.
Theory 1
The fact that we did not get a lynch yesterday is suspicious.
I don't buy that people simply forgot about it. I believe not hammering pisskop was deliberate anti-town play.
Who would not want to vote pisskop there? His scumpartners of course - ~Jordan`and one other.
We should look very closely at the people not on pisskop's wagon.
pisskop and someone not on his wagon are our remaining scum.
The people not or came late to pisskop's wagon are: farside22, Metalcyanide, Cheetory6, VysePresident
Unfortunately, unless there's some pretty hard bussing, I find it hard to come up with a scumpair for Acryon/pisskop
- farside22 is town
- Cheetory6 is town assuming pisskop is scum, as it is unlikely that Cheetory6 is paired with him based on post 740
- VysePresident is town assuming pisskop is scum, it is unlikely that VysePresident is paired with him based on his D1 vote and push
- Metalcyanide is town assuming pisskop is scum, as Acryon attacked him pretty hard D1
Which leads me to:
Theory 2
If pisskop is not scum and we truly did no lynch by accident, I'd sayWest9 or Metal are scum.
In which case there's a West9 or Metal (not both), ~Jordan`, some other dude triscumverate.,
Any thoughts on this?
In post 927, Metalcyanide wrote:In post 922, prawneater wrote:In post 781, Honey bee wrote:Vote count 2.08
pisskop (4):prawneater, West9, Aristophanes, Lyserg-Zeroz
Metalcyanide (2):farside22, pisskop
West9 (1):Metalcyanide
Aristophanes (1):Cheetory6
Not voting: VysePresident, ~Jordan`
With 10 alive It takes 6 to lynch. Day ends in: (expired on 2015-02-08 08:07:00)
I have 2 theories going.
Theory 1
The fact that we did not get a lynch yesterday is suspicious.
I don't buy that people simply forgot about it. I believe not hammering pisskop was deliberate anti-town play.
Who would not want to vote pisskop there? His scumpartners of course - ~Jordan`and one other.
We should look very closely at the people not on pisskop's wagon.
pisskop and someone not on his wagon are our remaining scum.
The people not or came late to pisskop's wagon are: farside22, Metalcyanide, Cheetory6, VysePresident
Unfortunately, unless there's some pretty hard bussing, I find it hard to come up with a scumpair for Acryon/pisskop
- farside22 is town
- Cheetory6 is town assuming pisskop is scum, as it is unlikely that Cheetory6 is paired with him based on post 740
- VysePresident is town assuming pisskop is scum, it is unlikely that VysePresident is paired with him based on his D1 vote and push
- Metalcyanide is town assuming pisskop is scum, as Acryon attacked him pretty hard D1
Which leads me to:
Theory 2
If pisskop is not scum and we truly did no lynch by accident, I'd sayWest9 or Metal are scum.
In which case there's a West9 or Metal (not both), ~Jordan`, some other dude triscumverate.,
Any thoughts on this?
Theory 1 is interesting.
Cheet and Far why didn't you guys vote for Pisskop? I would ask Vyse but whoever replaces him won't know.
Schoolstuff/fell asleep earlier than I thought I would. ZzzzzMetal wrote:Cheet and Far why didn't you guys vote for Pisskop?
Metal responded to the question and I was okay with his answer? Ari not trying to lead things this game is a legitimate concern this game.pisskop wrote:Ginko said that, and then failed to follow up on this threat.
I don't really understand how it's unusual for me to be focused on my scumreads, especially on D1. Do you disagree that I generally tend to focus in on one or two players on day one? By the time Lal came into the game, I was already somewhat focused on other players and felt disinterested in a lot of what she was saying and admittedly I skimmed for a while. Is that scummy? Can understand why someone would think so, but I've done it in a lot of other games before and I have less time for mafia than I usually do.West wrote:It's true that Gink used the Ari wagon for his scumread on Acryon and me, until he starts using the Lal wagon to go for Acryon and refuses to use the Ari wagon to analyze Lal
What? Quote me because I have no idea what you're talking about right now.West wrote:You said this, while having in the past argued that I was wolf for the exact same fucking reason.
Again, I don't see how her buddying my argument makes me likely to be her scummate.pisskop wrote:164 is Lal jumping onto the work of Ginko in 81 - 99, where he wifomed Orci into a scumread. True story, go look.
Is it really soft defending though? Like, you're acting like I was being subtle. I was not. I didn't want a Lalendra lynch vs Acryon/West lynch D1. I was pushing for who I thought was the best option for hitting scum while at the same time trying to engage people to either get them to move or get them to convince me that Lalendra was scum. Again, in 269, we defended Ari as well. Where's the acknowledgment that this isn't something that we were doing with just one person and one wagon? How is it not just consistent?pisskop wrote:269 is the brgining of the soft defending Lal, and 292 is what I meant by 'coaching'. He's guiding her with questions while soft-defending her.
What're you saying here? What does this mean?pisskop wrote:as well as more sweet nothings into Lal's ear. He isn't like that with any other player.
There's a difference between actively reading every engagement in a discussion and reading the tone of the engagement. Acryon's tone of engagement with Lal was incredibly different than it was with Aristophanes. I hadn't been actively reading and following all of the arguments for Lalendra being scum, partially because it was dense and also partially because from a distance I thought it was probably going to be a derpwagon and I like hunting on the side in general.pisskop wrote:What? What has he been doing the last hundred posts but getting more and more invested into Lal's wagon?
I'm not really super familiar with how chainsaw argument works, but if I were scummates with Lalendra and my goal was to chainsaw, why would I be so blatant about how I'm relating it all back to Lalendra interactions? I honestly know I can't do much to defend against this point, but like I just feel like scum-me wouldn't do this. :/pisskop wrote:324 chainsaw into Acryon in defense of Lal. Again, nothing overt, but wholly cows look at him go!
Already responded to this.pisskop wrote:I'm not even sure what the motivation of this post is. Except to use it to push later. I put some spaces in between each player so its not a clusterbomb to read.
If that's the narrative you inherently look for, you're going to see it. If you look at my play as "I really want a scumlynch and Lal isn't anywhere near my strongest scumread" then you're not going to see it. Don't really know what more to say here.pisskop wrote:Cheetory wasn 't bussing her, but taking the middle ground right up until critical mass.
In post 929, Cheetory6 wrote:Schoolstuff/fell asleep earlier than I thought I would. ZzzzzMetal wrote:Cheet and Far why didn't you guys vote for Pisskop?
Not sure why you're asking this question given that you weren't here either.
I don't really understand how it's unusual for me to be focused on my scumreads, especially on D1. Do you disagree that I generally tend to focus in on one or two players on day one?West wrote:It's true that Gink used the Ari wagon for his scumread on Acryon and me, until he starts using the Lal wagon to go for Acryon and refuses to use the Ari wagon to analyze LalBy the time Lal came into the game, I was already somewhat focused on other players and felt disinterested in a lot of what she was saying and admittedly I skimmed for a while. Is that scummy?Can understand why someone would think so, but I've done it in a lot of other games before and I have less time for mafia than I usually do.
Again, I don't see how her buddying my argument makes me likely to be her scummate.pisskop wrote:164 is Lal jumping onto the work of Ginko in 81 - 99, where he wifomed Orci into a scumread. True story, go look.
Is it really soft defending though? Like, you're acting like I was being subtle. I was not. I didn't want a Lalendra lynch vs Acryon/West lynch D1. I was pushing for who I thought was the best option for hitting scum while at the same time trying to engage people to either get them to move or get them to convince me that Lalendra was scum. Again, in 269, we defended Ari as well. Where's the acknowledgment that this isn't something that we were doing with just one person and one wagon? How is it not just consistent?pisskop wrote:269 is the brgining of the soft defending Lal, and 292 is what I meant by 'coaching'. He's guiding her with questions while soft-defending her.
What're you saying here? What does this mean?pisskop wrote:as well as more sweet nothings into Lal's ear. He isn't like that with any other player.
There's a difference between actively reading every engagement in a discussion and reading the tone of the engagement. Acryon's tone of engagement with Lal was incredibly different than it was with Aristophanes. I hadn't been actively reading and following all of the arguments for Lalendra being scum, partially because it was dense and also partially because from a distance I thought it was probably going to be a derpwagon and I like hunting on the side in general.pisskop wrote:What? What has he been doing the last hundred posts but getting more and more invested into Lal's wagon?
I'm not really super familiar with how chainsaw argument works, but if I were scummates with Lalendra and my goal was to chainsaw, why would I be so blatant about how I'm relating it all back to Lalendra interactions? I honestly know I can't do much to defend against this point, but like I just feel like scum-me wouldn't do this. :/pisskop wrote:324 chainsaw into Acryon in defense of Lal. Again, nothing overt, but wholly cows look at him go!
Already responded to this.pisskop wrote:I'm not even sure what the motivation of this post is. Except to use it to push later. I put some spaces in between each player so its not a clusterbomb to read.
If that's the narrative you inherently look for, you're going to see it. If you look at my play as "I really want a scumlynch and Lal isn't anywhere near my strongest scumread" then you're not going to see it. Don't really know what more to say here.pisskop wrote:Cheetory wasn 't bussing her, but taking the middle ground right up until critical mass.
UNVOTE:
That OMGUS was bad on my part.
I think I let the timing of the push on me relative to the peak of the Aristo wagon bug me.
Valentines Day is busy for me.
My thoughts in this game are messy right now.
Gonna go not think about this game for a while.
In post 935, Lyserg-Zeroz wrote:Prod-dodge-y post:
Ari going out of his way to get the focus back on himself/Metal/PK is interesting and I prolly need to go back to scumAri games to compare what happens when Ari wagons form. More thoughts later.
In post 929, Cheetory6 wrote:Schoolstuff/fell asleep earlier than I thought I would. ZzzzzMetal wrote:Cheet and Far why didn't you guys vote for Pisskop?
Not sure why you're asking this question given that you weren't here either.
In post 934, farside22 wrote:I've thought about this for a bit.
I was bothered that ari wasn't around day 2 very much and now that there is pressure he is posting.
Either way I look at it I see metal as scum or wolf so I'm going to go this way.
Vote: metal
In post 940, Metalcyanide wrote:In post 934, farside22 wrote:I've thought about this for a bit.
I was bothered that ari wasn't around day 2 very much and now that there is pressure he is posting.
Either way I look at it I see metal as scum or wolf so I'm going to go this way.
Vote: metal
Wait so your bothered by how Ari is playing but vote for me? Explain please or am I not understanding?
In post 932, pisskop wrote:I'm not sure how somebody who can be as borderline rude as you with your aggression can pose as offended. I don't believe you were upset my push, rather you needed an excuse to back out and cool your head. I'm positive this is within your abilities.
. But, given that Metaldidvote for me, this suggests you didn't read/retain that. AtE, in my opinion.
Except I did skim her and pretty hard. There's nothing in my posts that should indicate otherwise. I read the tone of Acryon's arguments and read other people's arguments as to why she was scum but was neglecting actually going through her posts in detail because I wasn't particularly interested in the gist of any of the arguments people were putting forward.pisskop wrote:YES, it is scummy. You didn't 'ignore' or skim her,you used her wagon to push/scumread players. The volume of material put into deflecting from her wagon is astounding. You responded to her, went out of your way keep the focus on her wagoners and off her.
I realized that my original question was pedantic and reactionary/that you might not just be scum forcing a case down my throat. It really felt like you were pushing the 'coaching' thing still, despite knowing that it was bullshit. I still feel like that choice of wording is ridiculous, but whatever.pisskop wrote:Youi just cannot keep one straight story wrt 292, can you?
Right. Never ever did whatever you're choosing to call 'protecting' with anyone else.pisskop wrote:
What're you saying here? What does this mean?pisskop wrote:as well as more sweet nothings into Lal's ear. He isn't like that with any other player.
You are offering her what shelter you could.
You used Acryon's interactions with Lal to attack him. The very definition of a chainsaw. I'm saying you did it more subtly than some on this site, but if you feel you did it blatently than that should make the chainsaw all the more apparent.
