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Debonair Danny DiPietro · Post Post #5825 (ISO) » Thu Feb 12, 2015 4:48 pm

Liliana of the Veil

Natirasha · Post Post #5826 (ISO) » Thu Feb 12, 2015 4:57 pm

BW Tokens is my tech in Modern right now, I think. Sort of.

Bad vs twin+Bloom Titan, Insane vs Abzan+affinity, Positive vs Burn+Control, ? vs Infect.

Klazam · Post Post #5827 (ISO) » Thu Feb 12, 2015 6:06 pm

... Lolk
i got it

PeregrineV · Post Post #5828 (ISO) » Fri Feb 13, 2015 7:05 am

In post 5817, Shanba wrote:For the pauper tournament, which banlist? I've never played it in paper but I imagine legal Hymn to Tourach is a big deal for the mono black deck. Although given that Treasure Cruise is still legal in the format, you're likely supposed to just play delver if you really want to win.

If you anticipate a lot of delver, one of the appeals of Stompy is it has a decently favourable delver matchup - but it requires a lot of practice to get it right. Don't play your pump into open mana and risk getting blown out by snap (in game 1), spellstutter is their best card against you, but generally you can play under their permission and threaten to race. Post board resolving a scattershot archer is suuuuper good. The deck also benefits from Treasure Cruise being legal, because although it makes delver stronger in the abstract, it actually involves making it worse against stompy AND as a benefit it pushes mono black out of the meta, which would otherwise prey on the green men.

If you like combo, play esper familiars. It's just a much better deck than Eye Candy, imo. I don't like playing it into a delver meta, but if you're against a lot of slow decks, it is straight up the most resilient deck I have ever played - it's just a pile of divinations, after all. I've won many times after being torn apart by discard, I've won after a mull to 4, it's just really strong. But, you know, get in reps with it.

I've honestly never been a fan of the Tron decks that replaced the Post decks. I don't like falling behind while assembling tron, and I don't think the catchup cards are powerful enough to make up for the slow starts you can get. But sure, whatever.

If you want something off the wall, I have like 30 tier 2 or 3 decklists <.>

Not sure. They said to google it.

Cloudpost
Cranial Plating
Empty the Warrens
Frantic Search
Grapeshot
Invigorate
Temporal Fissure

are all banned, but then it is also assuming MTGO not paper Magic. I'll probably have to get clarification.

PeregrineV · Post Post #5829 (ISO) » Fri Feb 13, 2015 8:37 am

In post 5817, Shanba wrote:For the pauper tournament, which banlist? I've never played it in paper but I imagine legal Hymn to Tourach is a big deal for the mono black deck. Although given that Treasure Cruise is still legal in the format, you're likely supposed to just play delver if you really want to win.

If you anticipate a lot of delver, one of the appeals of Stompy is it has a decently favourable delver matchup - but it requires a lot of practice to get it right. Don't play your pump into open mana and risk getting blown out by snap (in game 1), spellstutter is their best card against you, but generally you can play under their permission and threaten to race. Post board resolving a scattershot archer is suuuuper good. The deck also benefits from Treasure Cruise being legal, because although it makes delver stronger in the abstract, it actually involves making it worse against stompy AND as a benefit it pushes mono black out of the meta, which would otherwise prey on the green men.

If you like combo, play esper familiars. It's just a much better deck than Eye Candy, imo. I don't like playing it into a delver meta, but if you're against a lot of slow decks, it is straight up the most resilient deck I have ever played - it's just a pile of divinations, after all. I've won many times after being torn apart by discard, I've won after a mull to 4, it's just really strong. But, you know, get in reps with it.

I've honestly never been a fan of the Tron decks that replaced the Post decks. I don't like falling behind while assembling tron, and I don't think the catchup cards are powerful enough to make up for the slow starts you can get. But sure, whatever.

If you want something off the wall, I have like 30 tier 2 or 3 decklists <.>

Not sure what to anticipate. The shop having it is full of competitive players. With Pauper, $$$-wise, I might have a chance. I want to assume they will play common fast winning decks, then find the one that beats those most often.

bv310 · Post Post #5830 (ISO) » Fri Feb 13, 2015 10:54 am

Spoiler:

Tons of great advice in this post, but I think Twin fits as more Combo-control than straight combo. The deck wins from tempo games as much as it does comboing out.

Personally, if I was trying to get into the format, Zoo is where I'd be looking. Something like this http://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/264253#online is a pretty good starting point, especially if you have Windswept Heath/Wooded Foothills from Standard.

For me, I'd be looking at something like:

4 Wild Nacatl
3 Loam Lion
4 Kird Ape
4 Voice of Resurgence
3 Qasali Pridemage
4 Loxodon Smiter
4 Ghor-Clan Rampager

4 Lightning Bolt
3 Boros Charm
4 Lightning Helix
3 Path to Exile

4 Wooded Foothills
4 Windswept Heath
2 Arid Mesa
2 Copperline Gorge
2 Stomping Ground
2 Temple Garden
1 Sacred Foundry
1 Forest
1 Mountain
1 Plains

Sideboard:

3 Destructive Revelry
2 Stony Silence
2 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
2 Blood Moon
1 Kor Firewalker
3 Vines of Vastwood
2 Hushwing Gryff

Sudo_Nym · Post Post #5831 (ISO) » Fri Feb 13, 2015 11:13 am

Let's say I want to build a top tier modern deck, but I don't want to spend more than about $20. Am I just priced out?

Knight of Cydonia · Post Post #5832 (ISO) » Fri Feb 13, 2015 11:33 am

Depends how much you can get per blowjob out the back of your LGS.

TheWayItEnds · Post Post #5833 (ISO) » Fri Feb 13, 2015 11:51 am

You can always put soul sisters together for like 100$-150$ depending on the version.

I took 3rd/4th with it at my shops PPTQ last weekend.

Turns out you almost cant lose to abzan.

Debonair Danny DiPietro · Post Post #5834 (ISO) » Fri Feb 13, 2015 6:45 pm

In post 5826, Natirasha wrote:BW Tokens is my tech in Modern right now, I think. Sort of.

Bad vs twin+Bloom Titan, Insane vs Abzan+affinity, Positive vs Burn+Control, ? vs Infect.

Actually you nailed the matchups based on the PT at least. It went 8-2 vs. Abzan Midrange and 2-0 vs. Affinity; 0-4 against Twin; didn't play Amulet combo; and unfortunately went 0-4 against Infect.

In post 5830, bv310 wrote:Personally, if I was trying to get into the format, Zoo is where I'd be looking. Something like this http://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/264253#online is a pretty good starting point, especially if you have Windswept Heath/Wooded Foothills from Standard.

I mean Zoo is cheap and simple but it's not very good, why would you get in on the eighth or so best aggro deck when there are reasonable budget options that are much better situated.

Natirasha · Post Post #5835 (ISO) » Fri Feb 13, 2015 7:09 pm

I was actually speaking from personal experience this week. I actually won the only infect match I played, but it was close and I could see it being worse.

I actually picked up the deck sort of from the PT. I'm more or less a Stanislav Cifka fangirl(I think he's the strongest active player in the game right now) and the one match on camera looked seriously powerful against Abzan.

Like, Intangible Virtue, new Sorin and Zealous Persecution all look seriously amazing in the meta right now.

hasdgfas · Post Post #5836 (ISO) » Fri Feb 13, 2015 7:24 pm

I'm running this for Gameday. Anyone else planning to go do a Gameday? What are you playing?

Knight of Cydonia · Post Post #5837 (ISO) » Fri Feb 13, 2015 11:22 pm

Jund Whip, because OG wedges best wedges.

Natirasha · Post Post #5838 (ISO) » Sat Feb 14, 2015 4:55 am

In post 5836, hasdgfas wrote:I'm running this for Gameday. Anyone else planning to go do a Gameday? What are you playing?

Glad you asked, because I'm actually playing a cool deck.

Spoiler: Sultai 'My Rare Binder'

I started this season wanting to play UB control, but I didn't like how binary it was--It either ran hot or ran super cold every game. Perilous Vault is a terrible Magic card, you had no strong, consistent lifegain. It just didn't play well vs anything on the field except Abzan and even that...blegh.

So, thankfully, G Fab played that Sultai control list and I tried that out. It was definitely better, but I didn't like a lot of the card choices he played, found I was stalling on mana way too much(since it wanted to hit seven/eight to win the game), and it stilled had the lifegain problem(resorting to even playing cards like Feed the Clan post board...).

So I put Courser of Kruphix in. Of course, I understand why G Fab built the deck the way he did--he wanted to turn off as much removal as possible in g1--but I honestly didn't like that strategy. Tasigur and Courser have done a lot to help me find more success with the deck, because they actually do a good job of blanking threats as well. I don't lose to the red decks drawing out all their burn spells as I slowly + with ashiok or something nearly as much now, I'm finding, and Courser just in general makes the deck way more smooth.

The other creatures came after testing(I've been on this deck since FRF came out)--Silumgar, I found, I always wanted every matchup. He's much better here than in the control shells, his huge butt is disgustingly unkillable and essentially guarantees you'll win the game in most matchups. Torrent Elemental was because I wanted another proactive win condition, and he actually pushes through damage on your 2/4s and 1/1s. The problem with running Wayfinder with a bunch of 1-of threats is sometimes you end up dumping those threats in the yard. I tried playing some weird things to fix this--at one point, even running Pharika's Mender--but it just didn't work out. With the amount of Delve, Torrent Elemental just works though(not to mention he simply makes UB look real silly as they Vault him away). I honestly think I want two of them over the Kiora main, but I go back and forth. The fact he matches up well vs Stormbreath on defense is also important. This card is four dollars right now and criminally underplayed.

Sultai Charm is the best charm in standard right now. Abzan is the more powerful, but the ability to kill most creatures and naturalize is huge at the moment. Whether you're blowing up Frontier Siege, Jeskai Ascendancy, Whip of Erebos or the Perilous Vault, no one really expects it and it's huge. Love the card.

So, why play this over Abzan? It's the combination of card draw(one thing I didn't touch on was Dig vs Cruise--tried both, it doesn't matter which you play), Ashiok(yes, some games you just t3 ashiok and win) and Sultai Charm, mostly. Wayfinder is a way better creature than Caryatid(if they are even running that). It's sad missing out on Rhino, but I can't say I've missed the other white components of the deck.

bv310 · Post Post #5839 (ISO) » Sat Feb 14, 2015 5:10 am

The Gerard Fabiano special of "Sultai cards I own" seems fairly well set against the WR Aggro list that seems to be everywhere.

Siveure DtTrikyp · Post Post #5840 (ISO) » Sat Feb 14, 2015 9:14 am

Had a temur morph deck, decided it was utter crap, so threw together this deck in like 5 minutes with the cards I had.

Spoiler: Temur Control?

Went 3-1, against like jeskai tokens, r/w aggro, mono-red aggro (lose) and GFab Control.

The supplant form, frost walkers and sabertooth were all kinda crap. I also couldn't work out when I'd want to bring in temur charms from sideboard - maybe against abzan? I'd probably want to put in more knuckleblades and replace the frost walkers with heir of the wilds. Also another arc lightning/anger of the gods in SB.

Natirasha · Post Post #5841 (ISO) » Sat Feb 14, 2015 12:27 pm

Due to snowstorms, only four people showed up.

Won vs Temur Ascendancy and Mardu
Lost vs Mono R Heroic

Knight of Cydonia · Post Post #5842 (ISO) » Sat Feb 14, 2015 1:19 pm

lost in the finals of 32-man Game Day to my best bud who was on the R/W aggro plan having seen what I was running. Turns out even having 2 Crux of Fate and 2 Anger of the Gods in the 75, along with 4 Thoughtseize and another 6 removal spells, just isn't enough. In my defence, I was basically playing Jund Midrange with a few cute one-ofs and Kolaghan instead of Stormbreath since I traded my playset off for some shocklands.

Highlight of the day - breaking a board-state full of opponent's fat things on the ground vs. a Hornet Queen + tokens on my side, by activating Whip for the one-of Atarka, dashing out Kolaghan and swinging with both for precisely lethal.

hasdgfas · Post Post #5843 (ISO) » Sun Feb 15, 2015 4:46 pm

Went 3-0-1 with the deck I posted above at a 29-player Game Day. Got into T8 as second seed. Lost in the semifinals to RW aggro, after mana screw then mana flood. A good learning experience with the deck, I have a better feel of how it should play.

bv310 · Post Post #5844 (ISO) » Sun Feb 15, 2015 5:42 pm

I'm a new convert to WU Heroic, so that's what I'd be running if I was within 500 miles of an LGS

PeregrineV · Post Post #5845 (ISO) » Mon Feb 16, 2015 8:42 am

I played my budget Azban Whip deck. Went 1-1-2.

One guy had nothing but UB counters + Tasigur + Silumgar. Needless to say, lost to him.

Beat another guy that had Azban regular, tied the other Azban deck and tied the RG aggro deck

Natirasha · Post Post #5846 (ISO) » Mon Feb 16, 2015 2:04 pm

http://www.channelfireball.com/articles ... th-modern/

We're growing!

bv310 · Post Post #5847 (ISO) » Mon Feb 16, 2015 2:41 pm

PVDDR isn't new to this. He's been a vocal critic of Modern since basically PT Philadelphia.

Sudo_Nym · Post Post #5848 (ISO) » Mon Feb 16, 2015 2:49 pm

I like the idea of modern, but it's certainly shown itself to be problematic. Maybe if it had more cards like FoW to help keep things in line.

I don't think just abandoning the format for extended is the solution, though. Not least because it won't happen.

Natirasha · Post Post #5849 (ISO) » Mon Feb 16, 2015 5:32 pm

Modern would be pretty cool if Disrupting Shoal was a playable magic card.