SMITE Role Madness Mafia (OVER AT LAST!)

[FourTrouble]

Go to S&S.
Iso me.
ctrl f "mhork" and "mastin".
then you can come back here and tell me I only buddy as scum.

Not saying you only buddy as scum.

[Imperium]

If you're seriously scumreading Imperium, you're going to need to present something very convincing.

Oh, I'm scumreading them alright.
I'm not voting them, though, specifically because I

don't

have something very convincing.
I don't think Tammy's obvtown.
I think that Nacho's playing his scumgame.

I don't really have anything I can say beyond that because all I've got on the Nacho thing is, "that's just how I think he does things as scum?".
Which is to say, nothing.

Well, doesn't that bother you? Aren't you going to do something about it?

[Cephrir]

Oh, I was kinda trying to read her. There's still something giving me a bit of pause on that front, but all the same, it was a major improvement.

[Imperium]

It feels like you're trying to buddy falcon because he jumped your shit for having my back.

[FourTrouble]

her play at the end of D1 and start of D2 is scum, through and through.

It reminded me of her play in Tales of You when we counterclaimed Rancid and pushed for their lynch.

How so?

[Imperium]

her play at the end of D1 and start of D2 is scum, through and through.

It reminded me of her play in Tales of You when we counterclaimed Rancid and pushed for their lynch.

If you have a read of her, then why are you trying to get her to push for a lynch on someone you think is town???

Because you claim you're not playing against your win con, but are trying to get a read on her.

One of these doesn't match the other.

[Solar Wind]

her play at the end of D1 and start of D2 is scum, through and through.

It reminded me of her play in Tales of You when we counterclaimed Rancid and pushed for their lynch.

How so?

Being really, really obnoxiously sure about a someone I'm scumreading. We were wrong on Rancid (although justified considering they fake-claimed our role), and I was right on AP here. Both times, Mastin annoyingly, irritatingly, pops up at deadline and undermines the work that others have put in.

[Cephrir]

It feels like you're trying to buddy falcon because he jumped your shit for having my back.

Not even remotely.

I'm going to choose not to say more about this at this time.

[Imperium]

(Because I felt like it. It's not like I'll be able to get an Imperium lynch anyway. Even if I push hard, and push hard, right now, and continue to push. Even if I gave it 100%. It's not happening today. Thus, my vote would be little more than just that, a vanity vote.)

If you genuinely feel that someone is scum, you should try your best to push the hell out of them. You are a charismatic and influential player. You can likely make a lynch of your choice happen.

^^^

If town, playing against his wincon.

I'm very much playing to my wincon.

Note: Already had a town read on mastin based on day one play.

[Imperium]

It feels like you're trying to buddy falcon because he jumped your shit for having my back.

Not even remotely.

I'm going to choose not to say more about this at this time.

I'm perfectly fine with that. It felt really squicky at the time but then I thought oh maybe he's just playing along, but then you said you have a town read on her and I'm just wha?

[Solar Wind]

LOL at Tammy.

[dramonic]

Votecount 30: 70% to go boys and girls!

Metal Sonic (7): Heartless, The Mask, Cephrir, PeregrineV, Skybird, TSO, TiphaineDeath
TheAceofspades (3): Xombie, Ooba, vezokpiraka
Mastin2 (2): theaceofspades, FourTrouble
Ankamius (1): Magua
Skybird (1): Mastin2
BeastCharizard (1): Imperium
Heartless (1): Farside22
Imperium (1): Solar Wind
RachMarie (1): Bitmap
Magua (0.5): beastcharizard

Not Voting: Rachmarie, Ankamius, ZZZX, TheWayItEnds, Metal Sonic

24 alive means 13 to lynch.

Deadline is (expired on 2015-03-02 00:00:00)

[Imperium]

I mean you can be as anti-town as you want, but stop pretending about what you're doing.

Also, by the way, you really can't get a read on anyone for joining my wagon when you explicitly state that I'm town, that you'll fight any serious wagon that starts on me, that you're just trying to get me to melt down, and you're trying to read people for reactions.

[FourTrouble]

her play at the end of D1 and start of D2 is scum, through and through.

It reminded me of her play in Tales of You when we counterclaimed Rancid and pushed for their lynch.

How so?

Being really, really obnoxiously sure about a someone I'm scumreading. We were wrong on Rancid (although justified considering they fake-claimed our role), and I was right on AP here. Both times, Mastin annoyingly, irritatingly, pops up at deadline and undermines the work that others have put in.

I don't remember the details of Tales, but what I'm seeing here is mastin bitching that AP is town, but doing nothing -- NOTHING -- to stop his lynch. Her vote was on Imperium -- Imperium! -- when there was no way, no chance in hell, that Imperium was getting lynched. Beast, maybe. Ceph, maybe. TD, maybe. Imperium? Not a chance in hell. So what I'm seeing is someone who's saying AP is town over and over, with absolute certainty, but not actually trying to save AP (vote is out of sync with her commentary). And that's a massive scum-tell, because it suggests that she was preinclined to read AP as town (informed perspective) but not actually desiring to save AP. Also, there's a big difference in Tales, because there (if I recall correctly) mastin was also one of our scumreads, and I think we were one of hers (yes?), so when we're scumreading someone, she's gonna be inclined to read that person as town. Whereas here, you were strong town, so there's not that same basis for calling AP town based on your push. But note -- I may be mischaracterizing what happened in Tales, because honestly I checked out of that game on D1 or D2, and didn't even realize mastin or Rancid were town until you told me in our PM.

[Solar Wind]

I don't have a read on Mastin nailed down. I was suspicious of Mastin but end of D1 reminded me of Tales. That doesn't mean I have Mastin as solid town that I'm not questioning.

And yes, I can get reads by helping people with their wagons and seeing how those people react. Can't you? I'm not trying to get you to melt down.

[Solar Wind]

And if you are so, so worried about my vote on you, you could have kindly asked me to remove it and I would have considered it. Now, I'll just leave it there until we figure out who we actually want to lynch.

[Solar Wind]

Go to S&S.
Iso me.
ctrl f "mhork" and "mastin".
then you can come back here and tell me I only buddy as scum.

You buddied me too! I kinda needed someone taking up for me early day 1 of that game.

[Cephrir]

It feels like you're trying to buddy falcon because he jumped your shit for having my back.

Not even remotely.

I'm going to choose not to say more about this at this time.

I'm perfectly fine with that. It felt really squicky at the time but then I thought oh maybe he's just playing along, but then you said you have a town read on her and I'm just wha?

The interaction basically had nothing to do with my personal read of you at all and I imagine I've have said exactly the same things if she was talking about any universal townread.

[Imperium]

I don't care about your vote on me.

Considering you said twice last night that you were voting me until I melt down and you get the reaction you want, yes you very much are voting me in hopes that I'll melt down.

No, I can't get reads on people by saying "oh yo so um I think the chick you're scum reading is town and I don't want her lynched cuz ya know town and all, but dude you should lynch her."

[Solar Wind]

Considering you said twice last night that you were voting me until I melt down and you get the reaction you want, yes you very much are voting me in hopes that I'll melt down.

No, I didn't mean that.

No, I can't get reads on people by saying "oh yo so um I think the chick you're scum reading is town and I don't want her lynched cuz ya know town and all, but dude you should lynch her."

I can. But you are entitled to your opinion.

[FourTrouble]

Also, admittedly, my saying mastin did nothing to save AP is an exaggeration. But the main thrust of my analysis stands. And I also think mastin calling AP a scumdriven lynch is very superficial and scummy, because most of the folks on AP's lynch look like town regardless of AP's flip, and scum in a situation where town is mislynching have every incentive to let town mislynch instead of pushing the lynch themselves. So I don't know why mastin insists on the idea that AP's lynch was scumdriven based solely on the idea that AP flipped third-party. And I also disagree that third-party play like town. I was recently third-party bulletproof in a game, and I can say with certainty that my incentives were totally skewed -- I faked townreads on my biggest scumreads because I was scared shitless about a strongman kill and wanted to townread scum so they wouldn't kill me. I played much more like scum than town, so I totally disagree that third-parties play like town, especially in games that are role heavy.

[Solar Wind]

I mean you can be as anti-town as you want, but stop pretending about what you're doing.

Also, by the way, you really can't get a read on anyone for joining my wagon when you explicitly state that I'm town,

that you'll fight any serious wagon that starts on me

, that you're just trying to get me to melt down, and you're trying to read people for reactions.

That part wasn't f-16.

I think if you look at only what he's posting, it makes a sort of sense, though calling something a reaction test, which is what he's more or less calling it, affects the usefulness IMO.

[Imperium]

On Imperium

I don't think Imperium is scum here but I'll help you pressure them

so hopefully Tammy melts down

and we get a few reads from reaction tests.

Ffery can unvote whenever she wants.

VOTE: Imperium

We're not.

My vote's only there until Tammy melts down and I get the reactions I want

. Last time I fake-suspected Tammy (Tales of You), I pegged the entire scumteam based on their reactions.

.

[Solar Wind]

I agree with the logic of both of your posts. I still feel that Mastin is a rather illogical creature.

[Cephrir]

I think looking for scum/town on deadline wagons is an even more pointless exercise than I feel VCA is to begin with.