Also, @Riddleton, reading through that whole clusterfuck with Lapsa and pretending to break the rules, I don't really feel comfortable with that Lapsa not being post-mortem modkilled or something... playing the same game with two different accounts is a serious offence for obvious reasons, and while he was probably joking, I feel like it created a big distraction to actual gameplay based on rules, which really shouldn't have been there. That's just my personal feeling anyway. If everyone else / the listmod is fine with it, then I guess it's whatever.
Also, @Riddleton, reading through that whole clusterfuck with Lapsa and pretending to break the rules, I don't really feel comfortable with that Lapsa not being post-mortem modkilled or something... playing the same game with two different accounts is a serious offence for obvious reasons, and while he was probably joking, I feel like it created a big distraction to actual gameplay based on rules, which really shouldn't have been there. That's just my personal feeling anyway. If everyone else / the listmod is fine with it, then I guess it's whatever.
Maybe time has mellowed my feelings toward Lapsa since I feel far angrier at KatieB and Wake88.
Neither KatieB nor sthar appear to have any other games going on, yet all Katie's posting is contentless one-liners. Amid multiple people scumreading her, no less. You clearly have the ability to post, so why not, you know, take that time to post some content relevant to the game at this point?
As for Wake88, it seems all that work has not affected his ability to play other games. Not only that, but Wake has been lighting up the queues with activity, recently signing up for two large games. Wake, all you've been posting is how busty you are and whining how much it sucks that Monkey voted for you, once upon a time. How is it that you have no problem playing multiple large games, but are too busy for a mini? What the fuck, Wake?
been posting quite a bit in other games / joining other game. However, I don't really see Scum!Wake doing this. Or at least I think Katie / Pacman's defenses of Monkey were extremely shallow.
The more Katie doesn't post, the worse she looks to me. I know she's busy or whatever, but she said she'd be replying to me, and so did Pacman tonight.
I still think Pacman dies today, Katie dies tomorrow.
@Aeronaut I'm not trying to say Wake is scum. I just feel really pissed at his decisions.
In post 28, Wake1 wrote:Lapsa, my biggest strength at Mafia—in my own opinion—is twofold. Will and potential, and I daresay the ability to adapt to anything. At times I can be very forceful, and I quite like the mental swordplay that comes about now and again. Also, I tend to watch out for any players that use hyperbole, or take words out of context. Those to me scream of Scumminess, and I'm apt to tear at the throat whenever someone attempts to do so with me in these games. I've caught a few this way. Thorough, analytical reads are another strong weapon in my arsenal. Intense, unceasing curiosity and scrutiny round it out, but this doesn't mean other things are being improved upon as well. If I'm Scum you have to either NK or investigate me; very rarely as Scum do I get lynched; it's been well over a year.
My friend, what do you think are some good things to strive towards within these games of Mafia? Also, how long have you been playing Mafia? I am simply curious.
Aneninen, being unpredictable is the 17th Law of Power.
Guys, I'd like to hear more from you. Please speak up and get these discussions rolling. Hearing more from you would be splendid, and, if you would, please toss out more reads and accusations. Lob some questions my way too, please. I don't bite, and will not rip your head off unless I sense you're being deceitful. From a cost-benefit analysis, you have nothing to lose if you're Town, because as Town you should have absolutely no reason to lie to me about anything in this game. Some have told me I have a very sharp sense of perception, and can usually discern traits and patterns in the behaviors of others. You have literally nothing to fear if Town, and everything to fear if Scum, so, by all means, please do engage with me.
I figured most of this was interview-type bullshit, but when you go around introducing yourself like this, it would be nice if you were closer to the scumhunter genius extraordinaire you brag yourself to be rather than toolish flake extraordinaire. If you're going to be essentially prod dodging, then why even bother canceling the replace request. Town can't win if players active lurk.
My plan is to drop all of my reads and try to go into what I'm about to do with as little presupposition about what I already think about the game so that I can first analyze Monkey's play and votes on him as objectively as possible, and then see how he interacted with players and how people interacted with him. This VCA will not yet take into account peoples' posting and reasoning for their votes, I first just want to see whose voting footprint seems tunnelly, weirdly associated with Monkey, or too flaky.
Monkey's RVS vote was on ckd with a joke about his name. Because of the reference to names, it's hard to gauge whether this is a relevant vote but I still doubt Monkey would RVS his scumbuddy.
Between 1.4 and 1.6, a wagon on Katie that Monkey was the second person to get on slowly picks up but Monkey abandons it (for no apparent reason, I checked) without attempting to reorient his reads:
Suggests that KatieB could be scum with Monkey, and also suggests, given Luca's town flip, that Reticent and llll are more likely to be town, especially if Katie does turn out to be scum (highly doubt Monkey would leave wagon on scumbuddy if another scumbuddy joined him bussing).
There is over 100 posts between 1.9 and 1.10, I will have to check who unvotes first/why and whether Lapsa joins the wagon before or after one or both of them have left it. Because Anen already flipped town, llll looks scummier so let's say he's neutral after looking kinda town from the last thing.
The wagon changes a lot from 1.10 to 1.11 because I left it, and Anen came back along with Gendaberry. ckd and Aeronaut are both quite tunnelly by now, one is possibly scum, I know from experience that hardcore tunneling a scumbuddy is a good way to clear your name for a while. Actually I have a bad habit of doing it like all the time when I'm scum. Also neither of them were ever voting KatieB which is something.
Because of the directions the VCA is making me lean, the Lapsa lynch just looks like a lot of bad communication among town. It's old mafia theory but I subscribe to the thought that the third and fourth spots on a wagon are likely to be scum. Here it is proven true again, with monkey who apparently unvoted then revoted for Lapsa and everyone else besides droog voting Lapsa is voting Lapsa for the first time
Other D1 analysis: Drake Crusader, Luca Blight, KatieB and droog are all very tunnelly. I honestly can't even remember KatieB trying hard at all to get me lynched D1 so it is kinda scummy that her vote was on me for so long. Especially since she hasn't voted me once since D1.
I'm very uncomfortable with ckd and Aeronaut's level of certainty on Monkey. I checked, Aeronaut switched to voting llll and back to monkey in between these two VCs which I'm not sure what to think of. llll is almost certainly town as a counterwagon to Monkey that Monkey himself supported.
Monkeyman wagon almost fizzles, Gendaberry joins llll in the almost certainly town category for ditching the mislynch for the good lynch. Really everyone who was not voting monkey who starts voting monkey between 2.5 and 2.6 is really town, Reticent picks up some towniness there too but less so than Gendaberry.
Wake88 coming out of nowhere to join the Monkey wagon is probably townish since this was close to deadline and he would've done well as scum to keep lurking and hope time ran out. Same goes for Aeronaut but he's more active so his vote at the end of the wagon looks mostly reluctant, ie. scummy. This is dependent on what actually happened in the posts around that period.
So from this I'd guess scum are KatieB and either ckd or Aeronaut. Aeronaut voting KatieB right now will look good if she ends up flipping scum. llll is clearly town and Gendaberry as well is very likely to be.
been posting quite a bit in other games / joining other game. However, I don't really see Scum!Wake doing this. Or at least I think Katie / Pacman's defenses of Monkey were extremely shallow.
The more Katie doesn't post, the worse she looks to me. I know she's busy or whatever, but she said she'd be replying to me, and so did Pacman tonight.
I still think Pacman dies today, Katie dies tomorrow.
In post 1104, llll wrote:Neither KatieB nor sthar appear to have any other games going on,
The logical leap here is astounding. I am alive in other games.
In post 1104, llll wrote:You clearly have the ability to post, so why not, you know, take that time to post some content relevant to the game at this point?
First, my meatworld issues have not resolved. I know not everyone will give a shit about that, so I'm going to spoiler a full explanation below. Second, I intended and still intend to play this game with a minimum of aggression and insults. Every time I come into the thread with something like 'Katie's scum because she's an alt' or 'Katie's scum because she doesn't have the same reads as she did before she was proved wrong' or 'maybe there's four scum' or 'both scum are obviously off the wagon' or 'katie's random vote was really tunnelly' I walk away to keep from saying something mean, then I have a hard time trying to muster the energy to explain why some of those things are bad without being insulting.
Spoiler: Here's what's going on with me
My roommates bailed on our lease with one month notice and 9 months left on the commitment. I am picking up extra shifts while still attempting to hunt for an apartment, so I have exactly one free day between now and when I have to be out of the house to move all my shit, and no place to move it to yet. Add in the fact that I am legally required to pay for healthcare before this Sunday (despite having not used any health services in the last twelve years
and
still being poor enough that any deductible will effectively bankrupt me), and the tax bill that's coming due, and I'm going to have to choose between paying my bills and couchsurfing for at least a month while I get back on my feet.
I don't know if any of you are familiar with my kid-situation, but two weeks ago the sixteen year old had a fight with his parents that required outside mediation. The 9 and 12 year olds' mom got stabbed in a random attack downtown. Then the 12 year old's scout troop disbanded, and we've been looking for another one. And despite all reason telling me not to, I added another kid to the bunch because he just got out of a group home and isn't back in school yet. I've been fabricating work for him to do to earn lunch everyday because he doesn't trust gifts, and he cried the first time I gave him money and told him to bring back change because I trust him
and nobody else will
.
None of that is really relevant to the game though, and I'm trying to keep it out of the thread.
I can't really refute any of the sane reasons people are scumreading me, and the insane ones are going to be unaffected by logic. I was wrong about monkey, and I'm not engaged with this game although I
am
really trying to get back in. It's essentially a BoP lynch, but there's not a whole lot else to go on right now given the apathy. It is pretty interesting that absolutely nobody is against my lynch, and if I were scum that would mean either two hard busses in a row or a failed deflection followed by an immediate hard bus, both of which are insane.
In post 1073, llll wrote: are a one line incomprehensible insult about short pants
having just admitted that you didn't understand it, what makes you think it's an insult?
In post 1073, llll wrote:
(due to politeness, of all things! Katie, you're anything
but
polite).
I have failed in my objective of being polite
maybe
three times in this thread. Have you meta'd my main?
In post 1073, llll wrote:
Katie, please try to be less of an asshole, post some fucking content when you post, and stop playing so cavalierly.
Let's be clear: I don't like you. I find it hard to address you without using profanity. As a result, I care very little about how you feel about me. Additionally, I find such a blatant attempt at manipulation to be somewhat embarrassing for you.
I'm doing this because I'm on right now. I GUARANTEE that someone notes how scummy it is that I'm willing to post to defend myself, despite someone just having called me scummy for not doing so. But I can't tell in this game if it means they're scum or just not good at this.
In post 1116, evilpacman18 wrote:
Between 1.4 and 1.6, a wagon on Katie that Monkey was the second person to get on slowly picks up but Monkey abandons it (for no apparent reason, I checked) without attempting to reorient his reads:
because I was pushing someone else and he needed to not alienate me.
In post 1116, evilpacman18 wrote:
It's old mafia theory but I subscribe to the thought that the third and fourth spots on a wagon are likely to be scum.
Someone once told me that using old methods was outdated and dumb. I wonder who that was... (I agree, for the record)
In post 1116, evilpacman18 wrote:
I honestly can't even remember KatieB trying hard at all to get me lynched D1 so it is kinda scummy that her vote was on me for so long.
It was my random vote. I didn't move it until all the players had posted in the game, to remind myself that there were other people to look at.
The logical leap here is astounding. I am alive in other games.
having just admitted that you didn't understand it, what makes you think it's an insult?