In post 133, Metalcyanide wrote:Okay, so I guess I should actually partake of this game a bit more than I have been, so here are my thoughts on everyone that I have actually formed an opinion on thus far (if a person isn't listed I haven't gotten a good read on them):
acryon & orcinus_theoriginal: feels like they are on the same team I don't know if that is town, mafia, or wolf but they seem to be on the same page.
Aristophanes: As others have pointed out Ari has just seemed scummy. From playing with him I don't ever recall him being as sloppy with his posts as he has been (who does he think he is me lol).
farstefan - Has this person posted yet? Are they being replaced
Ginko - So far Cheet being Cheet. I really need to learn how to read him better.
Lalendra - Needs to participate. Your 30th birthday was 3 days ago now come on old lady lets go
(I'm so dead IRL)
To address some things that were addressed towards me:
I removed my vote from orcinus because I no longer needed the "pressure vote" (as someone called it) and
63 gave me an answer I was looking for why he was just throwing around the random votes
Orcinus you said I'm "self-concerned and not legitimately curious". I am self concerned, I'm not sure who to trust yet and I don't want to be lynched so I can keep playing. I am curious about things but I know the questions to ask, I'm not very good with my wording.
And the reason why I was waiting so long to really post is because I was waiting for some of the people who haven't posted or at least significantly posted to post on the current events, but to keep things moving here you go
So my biggest Scum read is Ari
Acryon has my best town read and to stick with my reasoning above puts Orcinus in the town category as well.
VOTE: Aristophanes
Feel free to ask me anything I missed.
Metal here makes a big thing of his reads when they are, in fact, all nulls other than his scum lean on me. I feel like he was trying to make it sound grander than it was. Also, you'll notice a theme in all of his posts in D1 where he reduces Ginko strictly to Cheet, and says he has a hard time reading Cheet at all. This isn't helpful to anyone and I don't get why it was brought up so often.
Also, his reason for a scum-lean on me is because I was "sloppy"? This comes soon after I made a coding error on a new site. I know it's the coding error he's referring to because he makes a joke about it "Who does he think he is, me?"
When asked about it in the quote below, though, he makes up something about how I'm "joking around more" and it's "hard to explain." I don't believe this. I always joke around at the beginning and he knows this. Why not just say it was the coding thing?
In post 137, Metalcyanide wrote: In post 135, Lyserg-Zeroz wrote:
@Metal:
acryon & orcinus_theoriginal: feels like they are on the same team I don't know if that is town, mafia, or wolf but they seem to be on the same page.
Acryon has my best town read and to stick with my reasoning above puts Orcinus in the town category as well.
Can you expand on your first quote? While I can understand feeling like a couple of players are possible allies, I'm not sure I get how this can also apply to townies on a game without masons or anything like that. Associative read aside, why is Acryon a town-read to you in the first place?
My town read on Acryon comes more after he and Orc were going back and forth during post 125-127. He had just said prior that he had a town read on Orc but was still mostly disagreeing with someone he has cleared for at least D1.
Acryon and Orc being teammates is from their interactions, they were getting some good discussion from each other instead of the typical accusation and defensive statements I've usually seen.
Can you tell me exactly which of Ari's posts or points are sloppy to you?
Ari seems to be joking around more, his posts just don't read right to me. Sorry I know that's not super helpful but I'm going off the way I'm reading it and it's hard to explain.
Also in this post, note his comments on Orc/Acryon. He says they seem on the same side and that they seem town. He waffles a lot on the reading of them, but settles always on them being on the same team. Once Orc flips town, when questioned on whether that makes him read Acryon as town, he backpedals on his linking of them and says there's nothing to it because townies don't know who else is town.
#505 "Lyserg and Ari asked me about Acryon. Yes, my opionion of Acrycon has changed since Orc flipped town. It truely looked like thier interactions were teamed based but since Orc could not have known what team Acryon is on the interactions look more innocent. So I'm taking Acryon off my scum list for the time being."
Also, his read on the first quote says Acryon and Orc are likely on the same team, whether that be Town, Scum, or Werewolves. Why the sudden backpedal?
In post 294, Metalcyanide wrote:Ginko - A little less active than I remember Cheet normally being, don't know if this has to do with him hydraing with Johnny (whos game I can't really recall), otherwise they have had some good posts. town lean I guess I've never been able to read Cheet in D1.
Ginko wrote:What's your general perception of Ari's towngame?
Sorry I thought I've anwsred this already, apperently I'm stupid and haven't. Ari's general town game, as I've seen it, has been that of leader of town and trying to get people to follow him. I haven't been getting that this game. I also don't think town Ari is as bad as he has been.
Oh look, another uncommitted Ginko read. Like I say, I don't know what to read from this other than him keeping his option open to reading them either way, which is a common scum thing to do.
Also, he said my game is bad. Words hurt you know!
And I tend not to be the town leader-y type until around the third day imo. And when there are others in that role, I usually take a step back. Is this meta of me fabricated or do we perceive my gameplay differently? Perhaps another D2er would be able to clarify this.
I think I'm gonna stop quoting here because I feel like it's making this seem like an awful lot more daunting than it is.
#263 I can't remember why I linked this at the beginning of all of this, but I think it was something important. Leaving it here until it comes to me.
In post 593, Metalcyanide wrote:That last post from Ari is more the Ari I've come to know. No questions at this time.
So, all I have to do is post a wall and all is well?
A few thoughts:
Acryon called me out for making "unnecessary posts" and the like and, as I mentioned before, used an example that wasn't really a fluff post at all and was basically sandwiched by actual content by myself. That he never did the same to you makes me raise an eyebrow. Half of your iso is inconsequential posts, be them jokes, quips, side comments, patriot related things, or small answers to small questions that really could have waited. If he were to call anyone out on that I feel it should have been yourself. This furthers my thoughts on both Metal and Acryon being scum together.
Also, I can't believe your whole argument on me is figuratively just GUT!
Like, make better scum reads, please! Have some sort of reason. Something to quote. Anything!
You've liked some of my posts, yet no change to this gut? I feel like you're just pushing my lynch because it should be an easy one.
they figured out Ari and I are scum buddies 
, no but seriously if Ari was going for a reaction vote his vote could really only be on me since I was the latest person to vote for him and his reasoning was I jumped on a bandwagon. 
I don't know . . .